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Cool software though not something I would pay for. If you're interested in getting most of this effect for free I highly recommend using the venerable Hald CL

Cool software though not something I would pay for. If you're interested in getting most of this effect for free I highly recommend using the venerable Hald CLUT library found here: https://github.com/cedeber/hald-clut https://github.com/cedeber/hald-clut These are lookup tables made using film scans and do a damn good job of emulating the film "feel" especially when used with HDR input without burnt highlights or crushed blacks. I personally recommend RawTherapee for photo editing, which includes native support for these. To further emulate the effect you can use a film grain overlay (hundreds available one google away) and a color-weighted bloom filter. ffmpeg and OBS also natively support this LUT format, I'm sure there are ways to use them in the FOSS video editing suites as well, but I basically do everything in ffmpeg commandline nowadays so I don't have firsthand experience.

xwolfi 4y ago
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wilg 4y ago
Our value proposition is doing this all correctly for you. The LUT is not the biggest thing here, as we attempt to describe on our marketing page.
- thot_experiment 4y ago
  Yes, I get that. I don't think I can describe how to replicate your process in an HN comment (I probably couldn't replicate it even if I wanted to, though I am no stranger to DSP, film simulation and characterization, and I believe I am most of the way there). I care about this field and find myself working on the same problems, it's frustrating to know that I'm replicating work that's already been done (and done well!) because our economic system necessitates the use of artificial scarcity to extract value from information. The things I mentioned will get people close, or at the very least set them on the right track. Perhaps some of them will be inspired push the envelope and contribute their research back to the commons instead of guarding it in order to collect rent.
  - bawolff 4y ago
    You can say that about literally everything for sale. Most software packages have a much lower value proposition than this one. Why use gmail when you can just run your own smtp server? Etc.
    - komali2 4y ago
      That's correct, it seems the op was making at least an adjacent argument of critique of capitalism and how it affects people's access to information (or technology-as-information, such as "guide on how to get a filmic look when editing video"). I support people undercutting businesses in their marketing post comment sections with Free as in beer or freedom solutions to achieve whatever's being sold. I believe in the ethicality of Free as in Freedom software, for one thing, but also in general information freedom. I feel gross about knowledge hoarding. If you're a fan of capitalism, I think you should agree with me. Capitalist minded people can try to use Free software to extract labor for no cost (jokes on you, we extract your engineer's labor at cost to you when they get frustrated and start making commits at work), and Free software comes with other advantages. Furthermore, if you're investigating solutions to your business need to do filmic solutions, isn't it nice that there are hordes of us weirdos ready to help prevent you from spending money unnecessarily? If you're trying to sell filmic solutions, isn't it nice to be challenged on your business model publicly and specifically rather than scratch your head at poor sales with no idea how to add value? Sidenote I was reminded of this comedy video: https://youtu.be/9kaIXkImCAM https://youtu.be/9kaIXkImCAM "Interview with an FFMPEG Enthusiast"
      - bawolff 4y ago
        > Sidenote I was reminded of this comedy video: https://youtu.be/9kaIXkImCAM https://youtu.be/9kaIXkImCAM "Interview with an FFMPEG Enthusiast" As an aside this is one of the funniest videos i've seen in a while, and totally captures the open source ux experience (i say in a loving joking way)
    - flkiwi 4y ago
      (I promise this is going to pay off to your point, because at first it won't sound like it.) I started fiddling with self-hosting around the time the pandemic started. I didn't try email, but I tried everything else, from cloud file storage to password management to home automation. I kept at it for a while. Then a docker image needed to be updated. An SSL cert wasn't autorenewing. Nextcloud was dog slow, though I could spend time tuning it. Now I still self-host a lot, but it's stuff that requires absolutely zero maintenance overhead. I admire people who are into self-hosting the whole stack, but it's not what I want to be doing. So I never moved off gmail, and I pay someone to host my cloud files. Life! (Now ask me how many hours I spent getting a tiling window manager into a usable state. The number is a lot, and I feel bad about it, but now I have SUPER POWERED PRODUCTIVITY.) /s obviously. But at least it's more like a really involved interior decorating project than reinventing power delivery to the home.
chamsom 4y ago
While I can see people thinking a LUT a film emulation, it’s just the starting point. Many emulation tools only focus on color which is fine for most people. For an authentic look, halation, grain patterns, diffusion, highlight roll off, detail resolve and other imperfections are needed to complete the look, of varying qualities for each film stock. Not to mention lens choice as well. Modern lens with software correction may not look right. Also this software is not specifically for photographers, it’s for motion picture.
- thot_experiment 4y ago
  You can get a lot of the way there with RawTherapee, grain simulation, halation, and accurate highlight roll off are all well within RT's wheelhouse, and while not fast, I've absolutely used RT from the command line to simply process a set of frames. If you want the thing but you don't want to pay, you can get most of the way there. I stand by my claim.
version_five 4y ago
Thanks for sharing this. Ths product seems cool, but it would be a lot cooler as an open source project, I could never condone a business model like this for an image effect software
- munificent 4y ago
  Call me crazy, but I fully support a business model that lets people get paid for the hard work that they do that provides value to others.
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- wilg 4y ago
  I’m genuinely baffled that selling software is controversial. What profession would you recommend we switch to instead of professional software development so we can become amateur software developers and have less time and energy to work on it?
  - Remnant44 4y ago
    It's particularly surprising in a place where people who create software gather. You'd think we'd all know better...
    - version_five 4y ago
      Your comment is surprising. People who create software are very often interested in open source and free software, and I think it's a relatively common view within the tech community that trying to enforce artificial scarcity is a kind of rent seeking and not a desirable or sustainable business model. I know there is also a "you wouldn't steal a car" crowd that confuses imaginary property with real, but certainly other views are common. I'm basically a die-hard capitalist, I just don't believe in rent seeking.
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xwolfi 4y ago

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wilg 4y ago

Our value proposition is doing this all correctly for you. The LUT is not the biggest thing here, as we attempt to describe on our marketing page.

thot_experiment 4y ago
Yes, I get that. I don't think I can describe how to replicate your process in an HN comment (I probably couldn't replicate it even if I wanted to, though I am no stranger to DSP, film simulation and characterization, and I believe I am most of the way there). I care about this field and find myself working on the same problems, it's frustrating to know that I'm replicating work that's already been done (and done well!) because our economic system necessitates the use of artificial scarcity to extract value from information. The things I mentioned will get people close, or at the very least set them on the right track. Perhaps some of them will be inspired push the envelope and contribute their research back to the commons instead of guarding it in order to collect rent.
- bawolff 4y ago
  You can say that about literally everything for sale. Most software packages have a much lower value proposition than this one. Why use gmail when you can just run your own smtp server? Etc.
  - komali2 4y ago
    That's correct, it seems the op was making at least an adjacent argument of critique of capitalism and how it affects people's access to information (or technology-as-information, such as "guide on how to get a filmic look when editing video"). I support people undercutting businesses in their marketing post comment sections with Free as in beer or freedom solutions to achieve whatever's being sold. I believe in the ethicality of Free as in Freedom software, for one thing, but also in general information freedom. I feel gross about knowledge hoarding. If you're a fan of capitalism, I think you should agree with me. Capitalist minded people can try to use Free software to extract labor for no cost (jokes on you, we extract your engineer's labor at cost to you when they get frustrated and start making commits at work), and Free software comes with other advantages. Furthermore, if you're investigating solutions to your business need to do filmic solutions, isn't it nice that there are hordes of us weirdos ready to help prevent you from spending money unnecessarily? If you're trying to sell filmic solutions, isn't it nice to be challenged on your business model publicly and specifically rather than scratch your head at poor sales with no idea how to add value? Sidenote I was reminded of this comedy video: https://youtu.be/9kaIXkImCAM https://youtu.be/9kaIXkImCAM "Interview with an FFMPEG Enthusiast"
    - bawolff 4y ago
      > Sidenote I was reminded of this comedy video: https://youtu.be/9kaIXkImCAM https://youtu.be/9kaIXkImCAM "Interview with an FFMPEG Enthusiast" As an aside this is one of the funniest videos i've seen in a while, and totally captures the open source ux experience (i say in a loving joking way)
  - flkiwi 4y ago
    (I promise this is going to pay off to your point, because at first it won't sound like it.) I started fiddling with self-hosting around the time the pandemic started. I didn't try email, but I tried everything else, from cloud file storage to password management to home automation. I kept at it for a while. Then a docker image needed to be updated. An SSL cert wasn't autorenewing. Nextcloud was dog slow, though I could spend time tuning it. Now I still self-host a lot, but it's stuff that requires absolutely zero maintenance overhead. I admire people who are into self-hosting the whole stack, but it's not what I want to be doing. So I never moved off gmail, and I pay someone to host my cloud files. Life! (Now ask me how many hours I spent getting a tiling window manager into a usable state. The number is a lot, and I feel bad about it, but now I have SUPER POWERED PRODUCTIVITY.) /s obviously. But at least it's more like a really involved interior decorating project than reinventing power delivery to the home.

chamsom 4y ago

While I can see people thinking a LUT a film emulation, it’s just the starting point. Many emulation tools only focus on color which is fine for most people. For an authentic look, halation, grain patterns, diffusion, highlight roll off, detail resolve and other imperfections are needed to complete the look, of varying qualities for each film stock. Not to mention lens choice as well. Modern lens with software correction may not look right. Also this software is not specifically for photographers, it’s for motion picture.

thot_experiment 4y ago
You can get a lot of the way there with RawTherapee, grain simulation, halation, and accurate highlight roll off are all well within RT's wheelhouse, and while not fast, I've absolutely used RT from the command line to simply process a set of frames. If you want the thing but you don't want to pay, you can get most of the way there. I stand by my claim.

version_five 4y ago

Thanks for sharing this. Ths product seems cool, but it would be a lot cooler as an open source project, I could never condone a business model like this for an image effect software

munificent 4y ago
Call me crazy, but I fully support a business model that lets people get paid for the hard work that they do that provides value to others.
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wilg 4y ago
I’m genuinely baffled that selling software is controversial. What profession would you recommend we switch to instead of professional software development so we can become amateur software developers and have less time and energy to work on it?
- Remnant44 4y ago
  It's particularly surprising in a place where people who create software gather. You'd think we'd all know better...
  - version_five 4y ago
    Your comment is surprising. People who create software are very often interested in open source and free software, and I think it's a relatively common view within the tech community that trying to enforce artificial scarcity is a kind of rent seeking and not a desirable or sustainable business model. I know there is also a "you wouldn't steal a car" crowd that confuses imaginary property with real, but certainly other views are common. I'm basically a die-hard capitalist, I just don't believe in rent seeking.
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