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>I find it extremely jarring how many reputable western media outlets immediately jumped to the conclusion that Russia did it Do you have proof to back up this

by 0xDEF 4y ago

>I find it extremely jarring how many reputable western media outlets immediately jumped to the conclusion that Russia did it Do you have proof to back up this claim? A more correct observation is that Western media didn't blame any single entity but has the attention span of a goldfish and forgot about this incident after a week or two.

xg15 4y ago
I live in Germany and my proof is that a few days after the explosions, I could read/watch Spiegel, Tagesschau and other outlets quoting speculations about Russia as "expert opinions", while discussing speculations about the US only in context of "russian accusations". A Spiegel article from september 28, two days after the incident: https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/nord-stream-spekulationen-ueber-die-hintergruende-der-explosionen-a-21a57a93-a560-4aa1-8abf-7b33734c6320 https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/nord-stream-spekulationen-ueb... It links to a Times article allegedly saying the same (but behind a paywall unfortunately, so I can't check): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-probably-bombed-nord-stream-pipeline-with-underwater-drone-says-defence-source-wkkcgshzv https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-probably-bombed-no...
- hanspeter 4y ago
  All mainstream media in Denmark has been reporting "No proof of Russian sabotage on Nordstream" this week. They're simply going for views and readers. The exciting story back in September was that Russia had sabotaged the pipeline. It was then more or less established that they probably did, so now the exciting story is that they might not have!
- xg15 4y ago
  Spiegel is now reporting about Hersh's article as well. They seem more interested in dismantling Hersh however than commenting on any of his claims in detail: https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/russland-duma-sprecher-wjatscheslaw-wolodin-bezeichnet-joe-biden-als-terroristen-a-b5b14034-ec08-47ce-90b1-6810be9c6828 https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/russland-duma-sprecher-wjatsc... Other outlets seem to be commenting a bit more neutral: https://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/nord-stream-2--usa-sollen-explosion-ausgeloest-haben---cia-widerspricht-33178876.html https://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/nord-stream-2--usa-soll...

by 0xDEF 4y ago

xg15 4y ago

I live in Germany and my proof is that a few days after the explosions, I could read/watch Spiegel, Tagesschau and other outlets quoting speculations about Russia as "expert opinions", while discussing speculations about the US only in context of "russian accusations". A Spiegel article from september 28, two days after the incident: https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/nord-stream-spekulationen-ueber-die-hintergruende-der-explosionen-a-21a57a93-a560-4aa1-8abf-7b33734c6320 https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/nord-stream-spekulationen-ueb... It links to a Times article allegedly saying the same (but behind a paywall unfortunately, so I can't check): https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-probably-bombed-nord-stream-pipeline-with-underwater-drone-says-defence-source-wkkcgshzv https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/russia-probably-bombed-no...

hanspeter 4y ago
All mainstream media in Denmark has been reporting "No proof of Russian sabotage on Nordstream" this week. They're simply going for views and readers. The exciting story back in September was that Russia had sabotaged the pipeline. It was then more or less established that they probably did, so now the exciting story is that they might not have!
xg15 4y ago
Spiegel is now reporting about Hersh's article as well. They seem more interested in dismantling Hersh however than commenting on any of his claims in detail: https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/russland-duma-sprecher-wjatscheslaw-wolodin-bezeichnet-joe-biden-als-terroristen-a-b5b14034-ec08-47ce-90b1-6810be9c6828 https://www.spiegel.de/ausland/russland-duma-sprecher-wjatsc... Other outlets seem to be commenting a bit more neutral: https://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/nord-stream-2--usa-sollen-explosion-ausgeloest-haben---cia-widerspricht-33178876.html https://www.stern.de/politik/ausland/nord-stream-2--usa-soll...