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There are zero features I need from Windows 11 that Windows XP didn't already have. The only reason I'm not still running XP is that security vulnerabilities in

There are zero features I need from Windows 11 that Windows XP didn't already have. The only reason I'm not still running XP is that security vulnerabilities in it are no longer being fixed.

speed_spread 4y ago
Windows 2000 was peak Windows.
- wkat4242 4y ago
  This. 2000 was perfect. No bloat except solitaire and minesweeper. Fast and stable <3
jimt1234 4y ago
This ^^^ I miss Windows XP. I was one of the last holdouts, forced off because XP lost security updates and apps just wouldn't install on it anymore.
userbinator 4y ago
is that security vulnerabilities in it are no longer being fixed. Are there? MS even released a fix quite recently for it. On the other hand, I bet there are plenty more vulnerabilities in Windows 11 that still haven't been discovered yet.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > On the other hand, I bet there are plenty more vulnerabilities in Windows 11 that still haven't been discovered yet. There probably are, but I'd rather have a bunch of vulnerabilities that nobody knows about yet, and that will be patched once people do learn, than slightly fewer vulnerabilities that everyone is constantly trying to exploit and that will be there forever.
  - userbinator 4y ago
    and that will be there forever. Don't be so certain --- the enthusiast community will fix them if they're important enough, even more so if they're ones that "everyone is constantly trying to exploit". Also, no one who knows what they're doing is going to be facing the Internet without a NAT or firewall that blocks incoming connections by default.
  - alexklarjr 4y ago
    That means vendors should be legally forced to publish source code of any software they abandon / stoped providing support. Hope this will happen soon. Regarding Windows XP, full source code has been leaked already (not SP3 but close to recent).
- smileybarry 4y ago
  The vast majority of security issues with XP (and some with 7) are architectural. E.g.: you can't fix some security vulnerability relating to GDI on XP without essentially replacing it with Vista/7's DWM. Conversely, 7 has a few security weaknesses compared to 8/8.1 due to missing kernel security features that are, essentially, a binary diff between 7 & 8 rather than a small patch. "Updates" for XP POS Edition and the like are mostly support filler and don't bring it up to the same security level as a modern OS. I.e.: There's still a bunch of logical vulnerabilities present.
  - userbinator 4y ago
    Local "vulnerabilities", if that's what you're referring to, are really not.
    - smileybarry 4y ago
      Privilege escalation is definitely a vulnerability, the same way you'd consider a Docker escape a vulnerability.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    Can you give specific examples of these sorts of vulnerabilities?
wkat4242 4y ago
Well XP didn't have HiDPI. I would have missed that with my 4K screen at 200% scaling. Even though they still screw it up to this very day.

There are zero features I need from Windows 11 that Windows XP didn't already have. The only reason I'm not still running XP is that security vulnerabilities in it are no longer being fixed.

speed_spread 4y ago

Windows 2000 was peak Windows.

wkat4242 4y ago
This. 2000 was perfect. No bloat except solitaire and minesweeper. Fast and stable <3

jimt1234 4y ago

This ^^^ I miss Windows XP. I was one of the last holdouts, forced off because XP lost security updates and apps just wouldn't install on it anymore.

userbinator 4y ago

is that security vulnerabilities in it are no longer being fixed. Are there? MS even released a fix quite recently for it. On the other hand, I bet there are plenty more vulnerabilities in Windows 11 that still haven't been discovered yet.

josephcsible 4y ago
> On the other hand, I bet there are plenty more vulnerabilities in Windows 11 that still haven't been discovered yet. There probably are, but I'd rather have a bunch of vulnerabilities that nobody knows about yet, and that will be patched once people do learn, than slightly fewer vulnerabilities that everyone is constantly trying to exploit and that will be there forever.
- userbinator 4y ago
  and that will be there forever. Don't be so certain --- the enthusiast community will fix them if they're important enough, even more so if they're ones that "everyone is constantly trying to exploit". Also, no one who knows what they're doing is going to be facing the Internet without a NAT or firewall that blocks incoming connections by default.
- alexklarjr 4y ago
  That means vendors should be legally forced to publish source code of any software they abandon / stoped providing support. Hope this will happen soon. Regarding Windows XP, full source code has been leaked already (not SP3 but close to recent).
smileybarry 4y ago
The vast majority of security issues with XP (and some with 7) are architectural. E.g.: you can't fix some security vulnerability relating to GDI on XP without essentially replacing it with Vista/7's DWM. Conversely, 7 has a few security weaknesses compared to 8/8.1 due to missing kernel security features that are, essentially, a binary diff between 7 & 8 rather than a small patch. "Updates" for XP POS Edition and the like are mostly support filler and don't bring it up to the same security level as a modern OS. I.e.: There's still a bunch of logical vulnerabilities present.
- userbinator 4y ago
  Local "vulnerabilities", if that's what you're referring to, are really not.
  - smileybarry 4y ago
    Privilege escalation is definitely a vulnerability, the same way you'd consider a Docker escape a vulnerability.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  Can you give specific examples of these sorts of vulnerabilities?

wkat4242 4y ago

Well XP didn't have HiDPI. I would have missed that with my 4K screen at 200% scaling. Even though they still screw it up to this very day.