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Tesla isn't exactly a fast-moving competitor. Musk has been saying full self-driving is coming "any day now" for at least six years and counting¹, but Tesla's o

• nebula8804 4y ago
  You spent your whole comment focusing on their self driving claims while ignoring the rest of the company. If you look at how fast they are updating the internals of the cars, you'd see what I was talking about. Their engineering feedback loop is astounding. Things such as moving towards partial castings -> structural pack -> two piece castings etc. within 1.5 years is breakneck speed. Simplifying the cooling loop design by using a software defined octovalve to eliminate a complete cooling loop in the system is a result of multiple divisions cross collaborating and integrating fast to try a new methodology. Instead of departments fighting with each other to protect their turf(and the end product ultimately suffering), they are breaking down barriers. The VW ID4 has numerous complaints about their software and reliability. One example I know is that their battery casing is done by an external supplier and the extra mass hurts them in effective range. This is not the mentality that a fast moving company operates on. You bring up mercedes benz but they had to cancel their EQC EV because after so many delays it could not be competitive anymore so instead of launching it they just canceled it. This is after years of it being touted as a Tesla killer. I saw this car years ago at the NY auto show and after years of waiting it amounted to nothing. [1]:https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34696613 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34696613
  • inferiorhuman 4y ago
    You spent your whole comment focusing on their self driving claims while ignoring the rest of the company. The rest of the company? You mean the senior management that lord elno raided in an attempt to prop up Twitter? The VW ID4 has numerous complaints about their software and reliability. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nsb2XBAIWyA https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/software-update-bricked-my-car.163623/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/software-update-bric... https://old.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/1033by2/warning_2023_model_x_owners_dont_update_to/ https://old.reddit.com/r/teslamotors/comments/1033by2/warnin... That's some impressive software.
    • nebula8804 4y ago
      Clearly you are not going to be convinced because you came into this conversation with a conclusion and backtracked from that just like the other poster. That is a common problem when discussing both Tesla and Apple. Both companies evoke a lot of emotion and "foaming at the mouth" type responses. Both companies have continued track records of producing stellar engineering. But for anyone else reading this try to separate your emotion for "lord elno" and just let the engineering speak for itself. [1]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kHsd3Ocxc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1kHsd3Ocxc [2]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P-UilAalvE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_P-UilAalvE [3]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXpfU6I_T3w https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXpfU6I_T3w
      • inferiorhuman 4y ago
        just let the engineering speak for itself Is that a reference to the roofs flying off? Or the bumpers falling off? Or the wiper controls that were ruled illegal in Germany? Or the premature motor failures? Maybe the steering wheels that keep falling off? https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/5/21502379/tesla-modely-roof-flies-off-convertible-quality-issue https://www.theverge.com/2020/10/5/21502379/tesla-modely-roo... https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/tesla-steering-wheels-keep-falling-off-this-isn-t-a-yoke/ar-AA16XRJq https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/other/tesla-steering-wheels-... https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/bumper-falls-off-in-rain.199855/ https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/threads/bumper-falls-off-in-... https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1101153_two-thirds-of-earliest-tesla-drive-trains-to-fail-in-60000-miles-owner-data-suggests https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1101153_two-thirds-of-e... https://electrek.co/2020/08/04/tesla-wiper-controls-ruled-illegal-germany-crashed/ https://electrek.co/2020/08/04/tesla-wiper-controls-ruled-il... https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098389_tesla-model-s-door-handle-failures-still-plague-electric-car-as-consumer-reports-learns https://www.greencarreports.com/news/1098389_tesla-model-s-d... But for anyone else reading this try to separate your emotion If you'd like to separate your emotion, well, how about the fact that lord elno gutted senior management and is spending most of his time these days babysitting Twitter? Tesla is fast becoming a rudderless entity. They're not well positioned to respond quickly to anything.