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I don't think you can fairly compare XP and Windows 11 given how much more Windows 11 does than XP. even just looking at enterprise management alone, XP is unc

I don't think you can fairly compare XP and Windows 11 given how much more Windows 11 does than XP. even just looking at enterprise management alone, XP is uncontrollable by comparison. forget all the end-user features that didn't exist in Windows XP. might as well compare Win11 to MS-DOS if you're thinking along those lines.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
Indeed, these lame comparisons are just as bad today as I remember them over 20 years ago when I was a young lad and Windows XP launched and everyone hated it thinking it would bomb (including me) because "why do I need this bloated OS with a colorful paintjob when Win98 does everything just fine?" It's pretty hilarious to see history repeat itself at every new Windows launch. Rinse and repeat. "Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong!"
ineptech 4y ago
For a regular home user, what does Win11 do that WinXP couldn't? Everything I can think of (drivers, screen res, multiple monitors) is incremental improvements to what we already had, I can't think of a feature they've introduced since XP than I want. edit: This is probably too glib; certainly more recent Windowses are superior for application developers, which end users benefit from indirectly. It's the user-facing parts of the OS that seemed to have gone in the other direction.
- jodrellblank 4y ago
  > "Everything I can think of (drivers, screen res, multiple monitors) is incremental improvements to what we already had" All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? (Besides, they're just improvements on what we had before so they don't count). Apart from the drivers, screen res, multiple monitors, virtual desktops, Windows Defender, updated DirectX, newer hardware support, hypervisor isolated secure password store, app store, WiFi, audio stack with per-program volume control, OCR engine, voice recognition engine, Cortana, online backup and file and settings sync, touch UI and the $8Bn/year Surface line it enabled, improved security, hypervisor backed WSL Ubuntu and Android engines, Windows Sandbox, SSD TRIM support, Bitlocker full disk encryption, ClearType and improved fonts for screen reading, GPU accelerated compositor, face recognition biometric login, QR codes on BSODs, all of... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#New_or_changed_features https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#New_or_changed_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_11 ... what have Microsoft added or changed in Windows since XP? btw I don't even use windows and I didn't want any of those things anyway.
  - ineptech 4y ago
    Right, the problem is the difference between the DirectX/hardware support stuff on that list and the Cortana/app store stuff - I want the first part, and will pay for it, but I'm complaining that getting stuck with the second part is part of the price.
  - userbinator 4y ago
    On the other hand, we have... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_XP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_Vista https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi...
    - jodrellblank 4y ago
      That isn't really "the other hand". The claim I was rejecting was "Microsoft haven't done any development on Windows since XP". I say they have, and you also say they have.
josephcsible 4y ago
There are zero features I need from Windows 11 that Windows XP didn't already have. The only reason I'm not still running XP is that security vulnerabilities in it are no longer being fixed.
- speed_spread 4y ago
  Windows 2000 was peak Windows.
  - wkat4242 4y ago
    This. 2000 was perfect. No bloat except solitaire and minesweeper. Fast and stable <3
- jimt1234 4y ago
  This ^^^ I miss Windows XP. I was one of the last holdouts, forced off because XP lost security updates and apps just wouldn't install on it anymore.
- userbinator 4y ago
  is that security vulnerabilities in it are no longer being fixed. Are there? MS even released a fix quite recently for it. On the other hand, I bet there are plenty more vulnerabilities in Windows 11 that still haven't been discovered yet.
  - josephcsible 4y ago
    > On the other hand, I bet there are plenty more vulnerabilities in Windows 11 that still haven't been discovered yet. There probably are, but I'd rather have a bunch of vulnerabilities that nobody knows about yet, and that will be patched once people do learn, than slightly fewer vulnerabilities that everyone is constantly trying to exploit and that will be there forever.
    - userbinator 4y ago
      and that will be there forever. Don't be so certain --- the enthusiast community will fix them if they're important enough, even more so if they're ones that "everyone is constantly trying to exploit". Also, no one who knows what they're doing is going to be facing the Internet without a NAT or firewall that blocks incoming connections by default.
OnlineGladiator 4y ago
Honest question - what features does Windows 11 have that I would want? I've never tried Windows 11, but I already hate how invasive Windows 10 is. What is your definition of "better" because if I weren't forced to upgrade to play modern games I would have never bought 10 (and I hate it even after years of using it and spending countless hours tweaking it to suck less but it still fucking sucks balls). I feel like every time I "upgrade" Windows I hate it. And that hatred doesn't go away, it just gets normalized.
- Schroedingersat 4y ago
  By better they mean it enables them to be more controlling and invasive in their employees' actions and personal lives.
- CuriousSkeptic 4y ago
  so far the two features I would lack in older versions would be: - “copy file path” in the context menu - More Window tiling options
  - zootboy 4y ago
    "Copy as Path" is definitely available in Win10, and probably older, just hidden under the Shift-RightClick context menu.
  - autoexec 4y ago
    Windows keeps taking away useful features too though so either way you lose. They took it away a long time ago, but i missed the option to arbitrarily arrange icons in folders (as you can on the desktop). It used to be very easy to sort through lots of files by moving them into piles of icons and then moving the piles into folders for example. Also the ability to move items in the taskbar wherever you want. (for example, I want one of 8 open notepad documents moved to the end of the taskbar next to one of the 6 browser windows while all other notepad and browser windows are on the other side)
- nightski 4y ago
  I don't know what you want, you might be happy with MSDOS for all I know. But Windows 11 has support for the 6ghz spectrum for WiFi 6(e) and WSLg support for doing ML/Cuda in WSL. Those are both of high interest to me. Otherwise Win 11 feels like a large step backwards.
Levitz 4y ago
What features would the average user miss out on? I'd go back to win7 in a heartbeat if I could, and I really don't remember a great difference between XP and 7 to begin with.
zelon88 4y ago
> XP is uncontrollable by comparison. You could have an Active Directory domain full of Windows XP machines in 2001.
zedadex 4y ago
> I don't think you can fairly compare XP and Windows 11 given how much more Windows 11 does than XP Considering how much work it took to get wrangle 10 LTSE into a usable Win environment I'd much prefer the simple OS that stayed out of my hair than one that "does so much more" I didn't ask for. I hope someday software is regulated as tightly as other consumer goods. Abusing one's position as the issuer of security updates to force choices, undesired changes, and bloat down user's throats shouldn't be possible; users should have the option to separate the two. I'm aware that that seems like a tall ask given the state of "modern" software development, but that's its own can of worms.

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

Indeed, these lame comparisons are just as bad today as I remember them over 20 years ago when I was a young lad and Windows XP launched and everyone hated it thinking it would bomb (including me) because "why do I need this bloated OS with a colorful paintjob when Win98 does everything just fine?" It's pretty hilarious to see history repeat itself at every new Windows launch. Rinse and repeat. "Am I so out of touch? No, it's the children who are wrong!"

ineptech 4y ago

For a regular home user, what does Win11 do that WinXP couldn't? Everything I can think of (drivers, screen res, multiple monitors) is incremental improvements to what we already had, I can't think of a feature they've introduced since XP than I want. edit: This is probably too glib; certainly more recent Windowses are superior for application developers, which end users benefit from indirectly. It's the user-facing parts of the OS that seemed to have gone in the other direction.

jodrellblank 4y ago
> "Everything I can think of (drivers, screen res, multiple monitors) is incremental improvements to what we already had" All right, but apart from the sanitation, the medicine, education, wine, public order, irrigation, roads, a fresh water system, and public health, what have the Romans ever done for us? (Besides, they're just improvements on what we had before so they don't count). Apart from the drivers, screen res, multiple monitors, virtual desktops, Windows Defender, updated DirectX, newer hardware support, hypervisor isolated secure password store, app store, WiFi, audio stack with per-program volume control, OCR engine, voice recognition engine, Cortana, online backup and file and settings sync, touch UI and the $8Bn/year Surface line it enabled, improved security, hypervisor backed WSL Ubuntu and Android engines, Windows Sandbox, SSD TRIM support, Bitlocker full disk encryption, ClearType and improved fonts for screen reading, GPU accelerated compositor, face recognition biometric login, QR codes on BSODs, all of... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#New_or_changed_features https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Vista#New_or_changed_f... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Windows_11 ... what have Microsoft added or changed in Windows since XP? btw I don't even use windows and I didn't want any of those things anyway.
- ineptech 4y ago
  Right, the problem is the difference between the DirectX/hardware support stuff on that list and the Cortana/app store stuff - I want the first part, and will pay for it, but I'm complaining that getting stuck with the second part is part of the price.
- userbinator 4y ago
  On the other hand, we have... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_XP https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_Vista https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_7 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_8 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_10 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Windows_11 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_features_removed_in_Wi...
  - jodrellblank 4y ago
    That isn't really "the other hand". The claim I was rejecting was "Microsoft haven't done any development on Windows since XP". I say they have, and you also say they have.

josephcsible 4y ago

There are zero features I need from Windows 11 that Windows XP didn't already have. The only reason I'm not still running XP is that security vulnerabilities in it are no longer being fixed.

speed_spread 4y ago
Windows 2000 was peak Windows.
- wkat4242 4y ago
  This. 2000 was perfect. No bloat except solitaire and minesweeper. Fast and stable <3
jimt1234 4y ago
This ^^^ I miss Windows XP. I was one of the last holdouts, forced off because XP lost security updates and apps just wouldn't install on it anymore.
userbinator 4y ago
is that security vulnerabilities in it are no longer being fixed. Are there? MS even released a fix quite recently for it. On the other hand, I bet there are plenty more vulnerabilities in Windows 11 that still haven't been discovered yet.
- josephcsible 4y ago
  > On the other hand, I bet there are plenty more vulnerabilities in Windows 11 that still haven't been discovered yet. There probably are, but I'd rather have a bunch of vulnerabilities that nobody knows about yet, and that will be patched once people do learn, than slightly fewer vulnerabilities that everyone is constantly trying to exploit and that will be there forever.
  - userbinator 4y ago
    and that will be there forever. Don't be so certain --- the enthusiast community will fix them if they're important enough, even more so if they're ones that "everyone is constantly trying to exploit". Also, no one who knows what they're doing is going to be facing the Internet without a NAT or firewall that blocks incoming connections by default.

OnlineGladiator 4y ago

Honest question - what features does Windows 11 have that I would want? I've never tried Windows 11, but I already hate how invasive Windows 10 is. What is your definition of "better" because if I weren't forced to upgrade to play modern games I would have never bought 10 (and I hate it even after years of using it and spending countless hours tweaking it to suck less but it still fucking sucks balls). I feel like every time I "upgrade" Windows I hate it. And that hatred doesn't go away, it just gets normalized.

Schroedingersat 4y ago
By better they mean it enables them to be more controlling and invasive in their employees' actions and personal lives.
CuriousSkeptic 4y ago
so far the two features I would lack in older versions would be: - “copy file path” in the context menu - More Window tiling options
- zootboy 4y ago
  "Copy as Path" is definitely available in Win10, and probably older, just hidden under the Shift-RightClick context menu.
- autoexec 4y ago
  Windows keeps taking away useful features too though so either way you lose. They took it away a long time ago, but i missed the option to arbitrarily arrange icons in folders (as you can on the desktop). It used to be very easy to sort through lots of files by moving them into piles of icons and then moving the piles into folders for example. Also the ability to move items in the taskbar wherever you want. (for example, I want one of 8 open notepad documents moved to the end of the taskbar next to one of the 6 browser windows while all other notepad and browser windows are on the other side)
nightski 4y ago
I don't know what you want, you might be happy with MSDOS for all I know. But Windows 11 has support for the 6ghz spectrum for WiFi 6(e) and WSLg support for doing ML/Cuda in WSL. Those are both of high interest to me. Otherwise Win 11 feels like a large step backwards.

Levitz 4y ago

What features would the average user miss out on? I'd go back to win7 in a heartbeat if I could, and I really don't remember a great difference between XP and 7 to begin with.

zelon88 4y ago

> XP is uncontrollable by comparison. You could have an Active Directory domain full of Windows XP machines in 2001.

zedadex 4y ago

> I don't think you can fairly compare XP and Windows 11 given how much more Windows 11 does than XP Considering how much work it took to get wrangle 10 LTSE into a usable Win environment I'd much prefer the simple OS that stayed out of my hair than one that "does so much more" I didn't ask for. I hope someday software is regulated as tightly as other consumer goods. Abusing one's position as the issuer of security updates to force choices, undesired changes, and bloat down user's throats shouldn't be possible; users should have the option to separate the two. I'm aware that that seems like a tall ask given the state of "modern" software development, but that's its own can of worms.