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And who determines what's been posted for zeitgeist-shaping or intellectual curiousity? And what can we say about those who have been frantically flagging this
by k1m 4y ago
And who determines what's been posted for zeitgeist-shaping or intellectual curiousity? And what can we say about those who have been frantically flagging this submission so their fellow community members don't get to read it?
- archagon 4y agoWell, the community decides. By flagging. Which was, in this case, ignored by fiat. Moreover, the article has little to do with tech and has obviously loaded statements such as this: > From its earliest days, Nord Stream 1 was seen by Washington and its anti-Russian NATO partners as a threat to western dominance. If we can’t filter out misinformation and propaganda, we are screwed as a community. (Is this misinformation/propaganda? Maybe, maybe not, but better to have false positives in cases like this.)
- k1m 4y ago> Is this misinformation/propaganda? Maybe, maybe not, but false positives are better in cases like this than false negatives. You question people's motivation when it comes to submissions. Why not when it comes to flagging? Does it foster intellectual curiousity to flag a story by a renowned investigative journalist? In any case, what's surprising to me here is the reaction to dang's reasonable justification for disabling the flags on this story. I think those who continue to push for its removal after flagging have moved beyond "I personally don't think it's a suitable topic" to "I don't want anyone else to read it". I find the latter attitude very worrying.
- archagon 4y agoI flagged it because it looks and quacks like propaganda and has little to do with tech. Perhaps Seymour Hersh is another once-reputable journalist who has unfortunately succumbed to anti-West brain-rot like Glenn Greenwald. I am also worried that HN's moderation has a bus factor of one, and has effectively no recourse. That's a lot of community-shaping power in one person's hands, regardless of how good of a job dang normally does.
- MichaelZuo 4y agoThe parent's first question is still pertinent. > You question people's motivation when it comes to submissions. Why not when it comes to flagging?
- archagon 4y agoIf you can't trust the community's input when it comes to flagging, then why bother pretending you have a community at all?
- MichaelZuo 4y agoIf you can't trust the community's input when it comes to submissions, then why bother pretending you have a community at all? To me either negation is about the same but not a deal breaker because I can exercise reasonable judgement.
- naasking 4y ago> Perhaps Seymour Hersh is another once-reputable journalist who has unfortunately succumbed to anti-West brain-rot like Glenn Greenwald. Well that explains why you're so against this type of article. You should reconsider whether the rot you're perceiving isn't in the West, rather than in Greenwald's brain.
- archagon 4y agoI have already considered it carefully, thanks. Same to you.
- lmm 4y ago> what's surprising to me here is the reaction to dang's reasonable justification for disabling the flags on this story It doesn't seem so reasonable. It seems bizarre, frankly. It's utterly out of line with (what I percieve to be) the whole history of HN moderation on this kind of subject.