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nobody anywhere who is latin american uses this term.

hombre_fatal 4y ago
They don’t use the term because they don’t use “latino” which is mainly an American word with a context that mainly makes sense in the US. But “woke” latinos definitely use “x” and “@“ in this way like “hola todxs” and “bienvenidxs”. This is the main thing missing from this conversation. Pointing out that a Mexican in Mexico doesn’t call themself a latino is different than claiming “x” isn’t used as a neuter token in latam. Anyone in a group chat with cosmopolitan latinos under 25 would know that “x” is in fact being used. Or just search Twitter for “todxs”.
- int_19h 4y ago
  How is it pronounced in verbal communication, though?
  - hombre_fatal 4y ago
    It isn’t. It’s a text comms phenomenon. I suppose there’s no reason it won’t hit a critical mass where people come up with a pronunciation like how “lol” or “pwn” crossed into verbal use, but it doesn’t have to to be a real part of internet/social media culture. Another example would be “periodt”. It’s social media phenomena. That you don’t or can’t use it verbally has no bearing on whether it has or can have traction online.
    - int_19h 4y ago
      In US, the push for it is not constrained to text comms, though. After all, if gendering is offensive in writing, why wouldn't the same be offensive in speech? And if, say, we have something named "Latinx Community Center" or some such, at some point someone will have to figure out how to pronounce it, if only to ask people for directions.
      - hombre_fatal 4y ago
        Maybe, but I’m not sure of your point beyond the fact that we can’t predict if or when or how culture will change. NPR already says “latin-ex”. Maybe that will catch on. Maybe it already has in the circles where it matters. But note that incredulity nor derision are evidence against cultural changes happening right before our eyes. At one point it was silly to pronounce “lol” or “pwn” and then five minutes later everyone was pronouncing them. There wasn’t some internet meeting to deliberate it, it just happened. I think that’s just how culture changes in general.
        int_19h 4y ago
        I would be more interested in how the native Spanish speakers pronounce it, and whether or not they find it a bad fit for their language phonotactically.
        hombre_fatal 4y ago
        I've heard x-neutered words, like "todxs", pronounced as "todes" using the -e neuter even though writing it with an "x" which is more popular than writing with -e. Or it's macro expanded into "todos and todas". But neither of these pronunciations even work on all words yet it still catches on. Though note that people who would do either may still be a small part of genpop, you can't miss it if you interact with younger (<40) people in latam metro centers, especially. In these convos, people are all too tempted to come up with logical reasons why "todxs" or "tod@s" cannot possibly catch on since it must surely offend the very nature of Spanish, yet that ship as already sailed. It still seems like you're trying to come at this from that angle which is why I'm trying to disabuse you of the notion. Fwiw, I don't like this trend. But my eagerness to see it die doesn't change the fact that the trend exists and is popular on latam social media among certain demographics.
  - alvarezbjm-hn 4y ago
    The dictatorship in Nicaragua started using the @ and introducing "ungendered" words mamy years ago. For instance, they wrote "Tod@s con Daniel" and officially read it as "Todos y todas con Daniel" In this case, the @ didn't get any special pronunciation. It was a direction to read the word twice.
    - int_19h 4y ago
      I couldn't find anything about this with straightforward search queries. Is there any reading that you can recommend to explore it in more detail?
      - alvarezbjm-hn 4y ago
        The goverment doesn't publish meaningful reports about anything. The example I am refering to is this: https://i.postimg.cc/W4vykVW5/beb2ba48cfda77d6d8ae72644f829dad.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/W4vykVW5/beb2ba48cfda77d6d8ae72644f829d... It is unadvisable to take a picture of anything in a wall in any public building. It is such an easy way to be tagged as traitor.
        int_19h 4y ago
        Doesn't it publish the policies themselves? Is there any official name of the policy, or anything that could be used to find commentary on it?

They don’t use the term because they don’t use “latino” which is mainly an American word with a context that mainly makes sense in the US. But “woke” latinos definitely use “x” and “@“ in this way like “hola todxs” and “bienvenidxs”. This is the main thing missing from this conversation. Pointing out that a Mexican in Mexico doesn’t call themself a latino is different than claiming “x” isn’t used as a neuter token in latam. Anyone in a group chat with cosmopolitan latinos under 25 would know that “x” is in fact being used. Or just search Twitter for “todxs”.

int_19h 4y ago
How is it pronounced in verbal communication, though?
- hombre_fatal 4y ago
  It isn’t. It’s a text comms phenomenon. I suppose there’s no reason it won’t hit a critical mass where people come up with a pronunciation like how “lol” or “pwn” crossed into verbal use, but it doesn’t have to to be a real part of internet/social media culture. Another example would be “periodt”. It’s social media phenomena. That you don’t or can’t use it verbally has no bearing on whether it has or can have traction online.
  - int_19h 4y ago
    In US, the push for it is not constrained to text comms, though. After all, if gendering is offensive in writing, why wouldn't the same be offensive in speech? And if, say, we have something named "Latinx Community Center" or some such, at some point someone will have to figure out how to pronounce it, if only to ask people for directions.
    - hombre_fatal 4y ago
      Maybe, but I’m not sure of your point beyond the fact that we can’t predict if or when or how culture will change. NPR already says “latin-ex”. Maybe that will catch on. Maybe it already has in the circles where it matters. But note that incredulity nor derision are evidence against cultural changes happening right before our eyes. At one point it was silly to pronounce “lol” or “pwn” and then five minutes later everyone was pronouncing them. There wasn’t some internet meeting to deliberate it, it just happened. I think that’s just how culture changes in general.
      - int_19h 4y ago
        I would be more interested in how the native Spanish speakers pronounce it, and whether or not they find it a bad fit for their language phonotactically.
        hombre_fatal 4y ago
        I've heard x-neutered words, like "todxs", pronounced as "todes" using the -e neuter even though writing it with an "x" which is more popular than writing with -e. Or it's macro expanded into "todos and todas". But neither of these pronunciations even work on all words yet it still catches on. Though note that people who would do either may still be a small part of genpop, you can't miss it if you interact with younger (<40) people in latam metro centers, especially. In these convos, people are all too tempted to come up with logical reasons why "todxs" or "tod@s" cannot possibly catch on since it must surely offend the very nature of Spanish, yet that ship as already sailed. It still seems like you're trying to come at this from that angle which is why I'm trying to disabuse you of the notion. Fwiw, I don't like this trend. But my eagerness to see it die doesn't change the fact that the trend exists and is popular on latam social media among certain demographics.
- alvarezbjm-hn 4y ago
  The dictatorship in Nicaragua started using the @ and introducing "ungendered" words mamy years ago. For instance, they wrote "Tod@s con Daniel" and officially read it as "Todos y todas con Daniel" In this case, the @ didn't get any special pronunciation. It was a direction to read the word twice.
  - int_19h 4y ago
    I couldn't find anything about this with straightforward search queries. Is there any reading that you can recommend to explore it in more detail?
    - alvarezbjm-hn 4y ago
      The goverment doesn't publish meaningful reports about anything. The example I am refering to is this: https://i.postimg.cc/W4vykVW5/beb2ba48cfda77d6d8ae72644f829dad.jpg https://i.postimg.cc/W4vykVW5/beb2ba48cfda77d6d8ae72644f829d... It is unadvisable to take a picture of anything in a wall in any public building. It is such an easy way to be tagged as traitor.
      - int_19h 4y ago
        Doesn't it publish the policies themselves? Is there any official name of the policy, or anything that could be used to find commentary on it?