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Totally agree. Telemetry has been around and matured and benefits users. I’m not sure the benefits for Go would be as significant as other software but, really,

Totally agree. Telemetry has been around and matured and benefits users. I’m not sure the benefits for Go would be as significant as other software but, really, why not?

masklinn 4y ago
> Telemetry has been around and matured and benefits users. Does it? Telemetry mostly seems used to justify removing features I need on grounds that they’re little used. As an other user noted, if telemetry is your yardstick, the average backup software removed the “restore” feature because that’s barely ever used.
- xh-dude 4y ago
  I don’t like this example in particular because observing too much “restore” activity is an excellent piece of information.
  - masklinn 4y ago
    I fail to see what’s that got to “too much” restore activity doesn’t tell you anything actionable about your software, if anything it’s creepy as hell.
- arp242 4y ago
  There is a long list of use cases, which go far beyond "removing features": https://research.swtch.com/telemetry-uses https://research.swtch.com/telemetry-uses "Is it safe to remove support for X?" is one use case. Right now the strategy more or less amounts to "remove and see if anyone complains, possibly too late to change".
  - JetSpiegel 4y ago
    > Is it safe to remove support for X? What the hell, it's a freaking compiler. What do you mean, "too late to change"? Fail the compilation is suddenly a showstopper bug? If go wants to deprecate features, just follow the same procedure done by literally all other non-spyware compilers.
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  Microsoft deprecated the disk-image backup in Windows 7 because it was infrequently used... buy random grandparents. It was basically a "free" wrapper on top of the Volume Shadow Service (VSS) built into the operating system, but only IT professionals ever used it, so... it had to go.

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Totally agree. Telemetry has been around and matured and benefits users. I’m not sure the benefits for Go would be as significant as other software but, really,

by xh-dude 4y ago

Totally agree. Telemetry has been around and matured and benefits users. I’m not sure the benefits for Go would be as significant as other software but, really, why not?

masklinn 4y ago
> Telemetry has been around and matured and benefits users. Does it? Telemetry mostly seems used to justify removing features I need on grounds that they’re little used. As an other user noted, if telemetry is your yardstick, the average backup software removed the “restore” feature because that’s barely ever used.
- xh-dude 4y ago
  I don’t like this example in particular because observing too much “restore” activity is an excellent piece of information.
  - masklinn 4y ago
    I fail to see what’s that got to “too much” restore activity doesn’t tell you anything actionable about your software, if anything it’s creepy as hell.
- arp242 4y ago
  There is a long list of use cases, which go far beyond "removing features": https://research.swtch.com/telemetry-uses https://research.swtch.com/telemetry-uses "Is it safe to remove support for X?" is one use case. Right now the strategy more or less amounts to "remove and see if anyone complains, possibly too late to change".
  - JetSpiegel 4y ago
    > Is it safe to remove support for X? What the hell, it's a freaking compiler. What do you mean, "too late to change"? Fail the compilation is suddenly a showstopper bug? If go wants to deprecate features, just follow the same procedure done by literally all other non-spyware compilers.
- jiggawatts 4y ago
  Microsoft deprecated the disk-image backup in Windows 7 because it was infrequently used... buy random grandparents. It was basically a "free" wrapper on top of the Volume Shadow Service (VSS) built into the operating system, but only IT professionals ever used it, so... it had to go.