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~~I don't see harrasment there, dev is free to do as he wishes with his app, but there's nothing wrong with bringing it up. What is not okay is being a dick and

~~I don't see harrasment there, dev is free to do as he wishes with his app, but there's nothing wrong with bringing it up. What is not okay is being a dick and calling people "zealots" over it.~~ EDIT: I didn't see the further replies that happened after this was posted on HN. I misunderstood and referred to creation of the issue itself.

belval 4y ago
Why do people always feel entitled to tell people what to do? The guy said he doesn't care and to remove it from FDroid if needed. The guy can be a dick, the guy can be as distasteful as humanly possible. It's "okay". That's that, if you want to use it just fork it.
- neoromantique 4y ago
  The guy decided to upload his project to GitHub and make it public, there was nothing in the initial issue that would warrant the response it did. Author is free not to remove ToS, but he doesn't have to be a dick about it.
  - abnry 4y ago
    Author is doing nothing wrong, not even in tone. One could argue that demanding something of a developer of software you don't pay for is the jerk move. FDroid still has the option to remove the app. Author appears to be okay with that. No issue, unless you are demanding something of the developer. Freedom cuts both ways, both for the user and the developer.
    - neoromantique 4y ago
      >Freedom cuts both ways, both for the user and the developer. Author is free to call people "zealots", others are free to see it as being a dick. It was simply uncalled for, if author does not want to deal with this he could've stopped replying after closing the issue as "Won't Fix", instead he decided to insult people that care about the free software.
      - luckylion 4y ago
        > Author is free to call people "zealots", others are free to see it as being a dick. He didn't initially, his reply was > I'm not a lawyer and I'm not interested in this kind of issues. > If you think the app, as it is with its terms, should be removed from F-Droid, feel free to reach out to them. which I find completely reasonable. After that wasn't enough and people kept pestering him, he said that he doesn't want to deal with zealots.
        neoromantique 4y ago
        >After that wasn't enough and people kept pestering him That's false? https://i.imgur.com/EFIfxRF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EFIfxRF.jpg
        pessimizer 4y ago
        It's fine to be a zealot about FOSS, and to think the letter of the license is important. If you were personally insulted by someone calling people who complain about morality clauses being added to FOSS licenses zealots, you don't have to accept that as a description of yourself. The person writing you free (as in beer) software is not hurting you, they are trying to help you in a way you don't completely approve of. I am a zealot for FOSS licensing.
        neoromantique 4y ago
        >If you were personally insulted I'm fine, reason why I posted reply is because top comment called creating an issue on a public issue tracker "show[ing] up and harass[ing] the developer". Hence my reply that the only harassment(however mild) I saw was from the developer himself, as per his right, but it still goes against the comment I was replying to.
        luckylion 4y ago
        There was another issue that I believed to have come after the first, from the same user, complaining that he had some tracking/telemetry/whatever in there, which the author then closed, saying that the language clearly stated it was voluntary and with consent only. He additionally asked him to not bother him with issues about these kinds of technicalities. If the order was reversed, you're right.
  - belval 4y ago
    Have you ever maintained a popular-ish open-source project? People will send you questions every day, you need to fix actual issues, you get a random email from Deloitte consultants because someone somewhere is using your code and they want to clarify the licensing. It's work, it's somewhat thankless so yes I will be empathetic with the maintainer that got cut two random issues for a ToS that contains 2 lines which are only an issue to a handful of people using FDroid and being called a jerk because he called those people "zealots" after they insisted he fix his ToS despite him politely saying no.
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belval 4y ago

Why do people always feel entitled to tell people what to do? The guy said he doesn't care and to remove it from FDroid if needed. The guy can be a dick, the guy can be as distasteful as humanly possible. It's "okay". That's that, if you want to use it just fork it.

neoromantique 4y ago
The guy decided to upload his project to GitHub and make it public, there was nothing in the initial issue that would warrant the response it did. Author is free not to remove ToS, but he doesn't have to be a dick about it.
- abnry 4y ago
  Author is doing nothing wrong, not even in tone. One could argue that demanding something of a developer of software you don't pay for is the jerk move. FDroid still has the option to remove the app. Author appears to be okay with that. No issue, unless you are demanding something of the developer. Freedom cuts both ways, both for the user and the developer.
  - neoromantique 4y ago
    >Freedom cuts both ways, both for the user and the developer. Author is free to call people "zealots", others are free to see it as being a dick. It was simply uncalled for, if author does not want to deal with this he could've stopped replying after closing the issue as "Won't Fix", instead he decided to insult people that care about the free software.
    - luckylion 4y ago
      > Author is free to call people "zealots", others are free to see it as being a dick. He didn't initially, his reply was > I'm not a lawyer and I'm not interested in this kind of issues. > If you think the app, as it is with its terms, should be removed from F-Droid, feel free to reach out to them. which I find completely reasonable. After that wasn't enough and people kept pestering him, he said that he doesn't want to deal with zealots.
      - neoromantique 4y ago
        >After that wasn't enough and people kept pestering him That's false? https://i.imgur.com/EFIfxRF.jpg https://i.imgur.com/EFIfxRF.jpg
        pessimizer 4y ago
        It's fine to be a zealot about FOSS, and to think the letter of the license is important. If you were personally insulted by someone calling people who complain about morality clauses being added to FOSS licenses zealots, you don't have to accept that as a description of yourself. The person writing you free (as in beer) software is not hurting you, they are trying to help you in a way you don't completely approve of. I am a zealot for FOSS licensing.
        neoromantique 4y ago
        >If you were personally insulted I'm fine, reason why I posted reply is because top comment called creating an issue on a public issue tracker "show[ing] up and harass[ing] the developer". Hence my reply that the only harassment(however mild) I saw was from the developer himself, as per his right, but it still goes against the comment I was replying to.
        luckylion 4y ago
        There was another issue that I believed to have come after the first, from the same user, complaining that he had some tracking/telemetry/whatever in there, which the author then closed, saying that the language clearly stated it was voluntary and with consent only. He additionally asked him to not bother him with issues about these kinds of technicalities. If the order was reversed, you're right.
- belval 4y ago
  Have you ever maintained a popular-ish open-source project? People will send you questions every day, you need to fix actual issues, you get a random email from Deloitte consultants because someone somewhere is using your code and they want to clarify the licensing. It's work, it's somewhat thankless so yes I will be empathetic with the maintainer that got cut two random issues for a ToS that contains 2 lines which are only an issue to a handful of people using FDroid and being called a jerk because he called those people "zealots" after they insisted he fix his ToS despite him politely saying no.
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