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Your own link states that most (72%) black students received Pell Grants — grants that are given based on financial need. As cited in my previous comment, the w

Your own link states that most (72%) black students received Pell Grants — grants that are given based on financial need. As cited in my previous comment, the wealth gaps created by racist housing policies can be across generations. It was less than a generation ago that computers commonly cost 5-figures, and remained expensive until relatively recently. A good proxy is to look at the continued gap in broadband internet adoption by race, which is also linked to income. PoC are less likely to have a broadband connection at home, and relying more on their smartphone/tablet devices [1]. Educational attainment is also linked to broadband adoption [2]. Historically students haven't been learning to code/coding on their smart devices. Lack of access is not lack of interest. [1] https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/16/home-broadband-adoption-computer-ownership-vary-by-race-ethnicity-in-the-u-s/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2021/07/16/home-broadb... [2] https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/-/media/cpuc-website/files/uploadedfiles/cpucwebsite/content/utilitiesindustries/communications/reports_and_presentations/cdvideobb/bagapanalysis.pdf https://www.cpuc.ca.gov/-/media/cpuc-website/files/uploadedf...

torstenvl 4y ago
You keep bringing up irrelevant distractions. Do you have any evidence at all for your claim that universities are refusing to enroll African American students in CS programs?
- ProfessorLayton 4y ago
  I never claimed that. You did. I refuted that it was "vastly different levels of interest" and supported my counterclaims while you did not.
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  - torstenvl 4y ago
    That is false, and you know it to be false. My claim is that they are choosing not to enroll in CS programs, i.e., that they have less interest in CS programs. You dispute my claim, by which it must necessarily follow that they are somehow disproportionately prevented from enrolling despite wanting to enroll. Where is your evidence of that?
    - ProfessorLayton 4y ago
      >My claim is that they are choosing not to enroll in CS programs You're the one with the baseless claim that black people as an entire cohort have "vastly different levels of interest" in CS. I provided several reasons and citations that they're still facing the consequences of systemic racism, and that it's not really a "choice" or "interest". Your continued claim offers nothing other than conjecture without critical thinking as to why this is happening, despite having evidence presented to you. You provide nothing to backup your claims, yet demand that others offer evidence for claims they never made. You're now trying to move goalposts towards by only looking at the university level when that was never my argument, and shows you're not trying to argue in good faith. I'm done.

torstenvl 4y ago

You keep bringing up irrelevant distractions. Do you have any evidence at all for your claim that universities are refusing to enroll African American students in CS programs?

ProfessorLayton 4y ago
I never claimed that. You did. I refuted that it was "vastly different levels of interest" and supported my counterclaims while you did not.
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- torstenvl 4y ago
  That is false, and you know it to be false. My claim is that they are choosing not to enroll in CS programs, i.e., that they have less interest in CS programs. You dispute my claim, by which it must necessarily follow that they are somehow disproportionately prevented from enrolling despite wanting to enroll. Where is your evidence of that?
  - ProfessorLayton 4y ago
    >My claim is that they are choosing not to enroll in CS programs You're the one with the baseless claim that black people as an entire cohort have "vastly different levels of interest" in CS. I provided several reasons and citations that they're still facing the consequences of systemic racism, and that it's not really a "choice" or "interest". Your continued claim offers nothing other than conjecture without critical thinking as to why this is happening, despite having evidence presented to you. You provide nothing to backup your claims, yet demand that others offer evidence for claims they never made. You're now trying to move goalposts towards by only looking at the university level when that was never my argument, and shows you're not trying to argue in good faith. I'm done.