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A good point that exposes some major bias behind my anecdote. With that said, if these expectations start at elite schools and slowly trickle down, would that n
by nluken 4y ago
A good point that exposes some major bias behind my anecdote. With that said, if these expectations start at elite schools and slowly trickle down, would that not cause a rise in the aggregate across all teenagers over time?
- imbnwa 4y ago> and slowly trickle down Seems like a strong assumption that it necessarily does splash damage beyond a certain cohort. I went to a public HS of 4K in the 00s only AP Juniors/Seniors were concerned with this kind of thing and AP kids were only friends with other AP kids (for obvious reasons); I'd doubt that've changed by 2012.
- asdffdsa 4y agoI think this is mistaken; there was a lot of pressure in the 10s for AP classes
- Matticus_Rex 4y agoAt your school, sure. Not at the one I taught at in the 10s. And from knowing other teachers then, I'd guess the pressure was high at only one, maybe two, of the six high schools in the area.
- Khelavaster 4y agoMany badly-envisioned schools restrict access to AP classes or even AP tests, instead of letting kids follow their passions and meeting demand.
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- imbnwa 4y agoWell that's not surprising, urban public schools, at least in the major American city I'm from, are about figuring out who's a good pencil-pusher as early as possible then segregating them from the rest of the riff-raff until they graduate HS. Most of the cohort I'm talking about likely got invited to a 'gifted' elementary school somewhere around 5th or 6th grade or a 7th/8th grade program attached to one of the top HSs. I only know this cohort well enough because I was on the debate team which most've them used as an extra-curricular for their college application CV but weren't serious about winning.
- fshbbdssbbgdd 4y ago“Trickle down” isn’t necessarily a good mental model here. Maybe the high achieving types from across the country and world are increasingly concentrating their attention into admission to a few top universities. So the max effort expended by the top students may be increasing, but the median effort could be unchanged or dropping.