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You might want to look into Glasgow's history with the trade unions. When it comes to things like this, Glasgow is the epitome of "fuck around and find out".

ChuckNorris89 4y ago
>Glasgow is the epitome of "fuck around and find out" As a non-UK-an, can I ask what happened?
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  https://electricscotland.com/history/union/chapter20.htm https://electricscotland.com/history/union/chapter20.htm https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/7147E641A6DBDF55C8470264DEEE124B/S0020859008003441a.pdf/the-1911-waterfront-strikes-in-glasgow-trade-unions-and-rank-and-file-militancy-in-the-labour-unrest-of-1910a1914.pdf https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/c... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Clydeside https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Clydeside https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Barbour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Barbour and more recently, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nae_Pasaran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nae_Pasaran You should watch that last one, when you get a chance. Edit: In the mid-1980s when South African Apartheid was a matter of global protest, Glasgow City Council renamed St George's Place in the centre of Glasgow to Nelson Mandela Place, just to mess with the South African Consulate. Glasgow is a wonderful city full of wonderful people, but don't piss them off.
skippyboxedhero 4y ago
The "find out" bit being finding out that you have no economy. The store is in the centre of Glasgow, by 2030 almost all of that area will be residential. Almost all the manufacturing jobs have gone. Docks have gone. Everything is gone. Govt and retail were the only major employers, retail is now going too (employee density of places outside the city is a fraction of what is was). This is stupid, the pay is fine for what it is, and Apple can and will just close the store. Btw, my family is from Glasgow, one of my relatives was a Red Clydeside leader, the labour movement today is worlds away from what it was then. All the old trade unionists began moving away in the 60s. Middle-class people moved in seeking the status of a working-class movement, needless confrontation ramped up, and the leaders lost all their member's jobs. Glasgow is one of the purest cautionary tales about the dangers of unions (and, to be clear, this was never a question for the early union leaders...unions were supposed to be about collaboration, not confrontation, all the countries in Europe that have collaborative unions have workers in industry, all the ones that had confrontational unions don't...it is that simple).
- Gordonjcp 4y ago
  > Almost all the manufacturing jobs have gone. Docks have gone. Everything is gone. Just like every other city in the UK. Gosh, I wonder what the common factor could be, eh?

ChuckNorris89 4y ago

>Glasgow is the epitome of "fuck around and find out" As a non-UK-an, can I ask what happened?

Gordonjcp 4y ago
https://electricscotland.com/history/union/chapter20.htm https://electricscotland.com/history/union/chapter20.htm https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/content/view/7147E641A6DBDF55C8470264DEEE124B/S0020859008003441a.pdf/the-1911-waterfront-strikes-in-glasgow-trade-unions-and-rank-and-file-militancy-in-the-labour-unrest-of-1910a1914.pdf https://www.cambridge.org/core/services/aop-cambridge-core/c... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Clydeside https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Clydeside https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Barbour https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mary_Barbour and more recently, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nae_Pasaran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nae_Pasaran You should watch that last one, when you get a chance. Edit: In the mid-1980s when South African Apartheid was a matter of global protest, Glasgow City Council renamed St George's Place in the centre of Glasgow to Nelson Mandela Place, just to mess with the South African Consulate. Glasgow is a wonderful city full of wonderful people, but don't piss them off.

skippyboxedhero 4y ago

The "find out" bit being finding out that you have no economy. The store is in the centre of Glasgow, by 2030 almost all of that area will be residential. Almost all the manufacturing jobs have gone. Docks have gone. Everything is gone. Govt and retail were the only major employers, retail is now going too (employee density of places outside the city is a fraction of what is was). This is stupid, the pay is fine for what it is, and Apple can and will just close the store. Btw, my family is from Glasgow, one of my relatives was a Red Clydeside leader, the labour movement today is worlds away from what it was then. All the old trade unionists began moving away in the 60s. Middle-class people moved in seeking the status of a working-class movement, needless confrontation ramped up, and the leaders lost all their member's jobs. Glasgow is one of the purest cautionary tales about the dangers of unions (and, to be clear, this was never a question for the early union leaders...unions were supposed to be about collaboration, not confrontation, all the countries in Europe that have collaborative unions have workers in industry, all the ones that had confrontational unions don't...it is that simple).

Gordonjcp 4y ago
> Almost all the manufacturing jobs have gone. Docks have gone. Everything is gone. Just like every other city in the UK. Gosh, I wonder what the common factor could be, eh?