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The blog post was submitted earlier today but flagged to death for some reason, even though the White House deemed it important enough to respond to themselves.

The blog post was submitted earlier today but flagged to death for some reason, even though the White House deemed it important enough to respond to themselves. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34707305 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34707305

0xDEF 4y ago
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- m00x 4y ago
  Is it even the real Seymour Hersh? It's the first blog post with this name, and SH is 86 years old. You'd think he would release such a spicy piece to a renowned newspaper with his reputation. So many things are unverified, it's hard to take it without a huge slice of skepticism.
  - CSMastermind 4y ago
    https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1623352901111517185 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1623352901111517185 Matt Taibbi (think of him what you will) is saying that he spoke to Seymour and can confirm that it really is from him.
  - drcongo 4y ago
    There's no renowned newspapers left that will publish him, so he's done what every other conspiracy crackpot does and started a Substack.
- pphysch 4y ago
  Believe it or not, every single one of your favorite news sources also relies on "anonymous sources" now and then. Are they also non-credible?
  - 0xDEF 4y ago
    But they are not the same guy making up 30 different "anonymous sources" for one book.
  - anamexis 4y ago
    No, they are credible because they have a track record of good journalistic and editorial standards.
    - pphysch 4y ago
      According to whom? The White House?
      - anamexis 4y ago
        According to me.
        pphysch 4y ago
        Okay, well, according to me the establishment media has a dirty track record of uncritically promoting every misguided act of military adventurism that the Pentagon fancies, including outright lies like "Saddam-Taliban alliance" or "Saddam will use WMDs against the West".
itsyaboi 4y ago
> My Lai was first revealed to the American public on November 13, 1969—almost two years after the incident—when Hersh published a story through the Dispatch News Service. The article threatened to undermine the U.S. war effort and severely damage the Nixon presidency. Inside the White House, officials privately discussed how to contain the scandal. On November 21, National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger emphasized that the White House needed to develop a "game plan", to establish a "press policy", and maintain a "unified line" in its public response to the incident. The White House established a "My Lai Task Force" whose mission was to "figure out how best to control the problem", to make sure that administration officials "all don't go in different directions" when discussing the incident, and to "engage in dirty tricks". These included discrediting key witnesses and questioning Hersh's motives for releasing the story. What soon followed was a public relations offensive by the administration designed to shape how My Lai would be portrayed in the press and understood among the American public. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%E1%BB%B9_Lai_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%E1%BB%B9_Lai_massacre
- koheripbal 4y ago
  The problem is that this author now writes these conspiracy theory pieces with ZERO evidence. The Lai massacre was well documented - Hersh was a photographer. These recent conspiracy theory articles he publishes have ZERO evidence. This is just the most recent of many.
  - hui-zheng 4y ago
    That's true. I don't think we will find out truth about this any soon, while all the conspiracy theories and speculations flying around. Given your learning about this, who do you think is most possible author of this explosion?
    - xypage 4y ago
      I think speculation with literally no evidence is pointless at best, and actively harmful at worst, so we should really hold off on making guesses based on effectively nothing.
lkjlkjl34tl 4y ago
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- SirGiggles 4y ago
  The irony of accusing HN to be communist while ignoring that this is also a site where companies seek investment from venture capitalists
koheripbal 4y ago
It was flagged for being misleading and conspiratorial. There's literally zero evidence in the article. Also, the White House did not deem it "important", it deemed it to be circulating widely across social media despite factual inaccuracies and zero evidence. Seymour Hersh is notorious for his anti-American conspiracy theories. He leverages his Pulitzer Prize from the Vietnam War (which he mentions at every turn) to present these ridiculous theories with literally zero evidence. He's promised evidence "coming soon" on a number of occasions to prove his conspiracy theories, and nothing ever comes.
- yucky 4y ago
  Isn't this the same Seymour Hersh who we have to thank for exposing the torture at Abu Ghraib and the secret post-9/11 US assassination program? Your take seems disingenuous.
- mansion7 4y ago
  So he's like the Adam Schiff of journalists?
BaseballPhysics 4y ago
Because Hacker News isn't a world politics website unless those topics intersect with technology. If I want general news about the war in Ukraine and related geopolitics, I'll go read the Times or the Post. Which is also, by the way, why I'm flagging this.
- adamc 4y ago
  Boo.

0xDEF 4y ago

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m00x 4y ago
Is it even the real Seymour Hersh? It's the first blog post with this name, and SH is 86 years old. You'd think he would release such a spicy piece to a renowned newspaper with his reputation. So many things are unverified, it's hard to take it without a huge slice of skepticism.
- CSMastermind 4y ago
  https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1623352901111517185 https://twitter.com/mtaibbi/status/1623352901111517185 Matt Taibbi (think of him what you will) is saying that he spoke to Seymour and can confirm that it really is from him.
- drcongo 4y ago
  There's no renowned newspapers left that will publish him, so he's done what every other conspiracy crackpot does and started a Substack.
pphysch 4y ago
Believe it or not, every single one of your favorite news sources also relies on "anonymous sources" now and then. Are they also non-credible?
- 0xDEF 4y ago
  But they are not the same guy making up 30 different "anonymous sources" for one book.
- anamexis 4y ago
  No, they are credible because they have a track record of good journalistic and editorial standards.
  - pphysch 4y ago
    According to whom? The White House?
    - anamexis 4y ago
      According to me.
      - pphysch 4y ago
        Okay, well, according to me the establishment media has a dirty track record of uncritically promoting every misguided act of military adventurism that the Pentagon fancies, including outright lies like "Saddam-Taliban alliance" or "Saddam will use WMDs against the West".

itsyaboi 4y ago

> My Lai was first revealed to the American public on November 13, 1969—almost two years after the incident—when Hersh published a story through the Dispatch News Service. The article threatened to undermine the U.S. war effort and severely damage the Nixon presidency. Inside the White House, officials privately discussed how to contain the scandal. On November 21, National Security Advisor Henry Kissinger emphasized that the White House needed to develop a "game plan", to establish a "press policy", and maintain a "unified line" in its public response to the incident. The White House established a "My Lai Task Force" whose mission was to "figure out how best to control the problem", to make sure that administration officials "all don't go in different directions" when discussing the incident, and to "engage in dirty tricks". These included discrediting key witnesses and questioning Hersh's motives for releasing the story. What soon followed was a public relations offensive by the administration designed to shape how My Lai would be portrayed in the press and understood among the American public. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%E1%BB%B9_Lai_massacre https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%E1%BB%B9_Lai_massacre

koheripbal 4y ago
The problem is that this author now writes these conspiracy theory pieces with ZERO evidence. The Lai massacre was well documented - Hersh was a photographer. These recent conspiracy theory articles he publishes have ZERO evidence. This is just the most recent of many.
- hui-zheng 4y ago
  That's true. I don't think we will find out truth about this any soon, while all the conspiracy theories and speculations flying around. Given your learning about this, who do you think is most possible author of this explosion?
  - xypage 4y ago
    I think speculation with literally no evidence is pointless at best, and actively harmful at worst, so we should really hold off on making guesses based on effectively nothing.

lkjlkjl34tl 4y ago

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SirGiggles 4y ago
The irony of accusing HN to be communist while ignoring that this is also a site where companies seek investment from venture capitalists

koheripbal 4y ago

It was flagged for being misleading and conspiratorial. There's literally zero evidence in the article. Also, the White House did not deem it "important", it deemed it to be circulating widely across social media despite factual inaccuracies and zero evidence. Seymour Hersh is notorious for his anti-American conspiracy theories. He leverages his Pulitzer Prize from the Vietnam War (which he mentions at every turn) to present these ridiculous theories with literally zero evidence. He's promised evidence "coming soon" on a number of occasions to prove his conspiracy theories, and nothing ever comes.

yucky 4y ago
Isn't this the same Seymour Hersh who we have to thank for exposing the torture at Abu Ghraib and the secret post-9/11 US assassination program? Your take seems disingenuous.
mansion7 4y ago
So he's like the Adam Schiff of journalists?

BaseballPhysics 4y ago

Because Hacker News isn't a world politics website unless those topics intersect with technology. If I want general news about the war in Ukraine and related geopolitics, I'll go read the Times or the Post. Which is also, by the way, why I'm flagging this.

adamc 4y ago
Boo.