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> A large share of the employee grievances will be things not related to pay Might be in other cases, but in this case it's about low pay, and shitty shift pat

> A large share of the employee grievances will be things not related to pay Might be in other cases, but in this case it's about low pay, and shitty shift patterns: > Reportedly, retail staff at Apple Glasgow earn 12 ($15) per hour. Workers at the store say that low wages, plus unfair shift patterns and a lack of pay transparency have prompted the move toward unionization. https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/10/glasgow-apple-store-staff-join-union-ask-apple-to-recognize-it https://appleinsider.com/articles/22/06/10/glasgow-apple-sto... They seem to also have asked for ways to enable better communication to corporate but it seems to have fallen on deaf ears, even their colleagues in other countries have ways but no one listens: > "In the UK, Apple have staff forums, but these are continually shown to be ineffectual and feedback is ignored," one anonymous worker told the Glasgow Evening Times. "It is a one-way conversation." I guess the conclusion is that people tried, Apple didn't want to, so now the workers forced them to listen. I hope workers in other countries are following what's happening here and realize they have more power than what they think.

KennyBlanken 4y ago
In the wake of someone driving an SUV through an Apple store, I saw a LinkedIn post by some VP of retail stores. They were in a position that sounded sort of like they were in an HR-ish, "people management" role. Lots of talk about family, and close knit this, and "it's my job to support them" that. The usual self-righteous linkedin bullshit, but unusually brazen given someone was killed and a couple people injured. I remember thinking "if they're so 'supported' by one of the world's richest companies, why do so many of them want to unionize?" $15/hour for high-end retail is peanuts in almost any urban area. Given how much cash Apple has, and how fast they continue to accumulate it, they can absolutely afford to pay a livable wage to their retail employees.
- skippyboxedhero 4y ago
  $15/hour in Glasgow in retail is good. That is £19k/year net. The minimum wage in the UK is ~£9.50, and a lot of people in retail will be on substantially less (because the rate varies by age). You may not know a lot about Glasgow either, it isn't like "any urban area". It is one of the poorest places in the UK, massive opioid problem, lowest life expectancy in the UK (in the poorest areas), derelict housing everywhere, highest rate of refugees per capita, high levels of violent crime (amazingly, this has got substantially better and it is still terrible by the metric of anyone familiar with crime in other countries)...the only big employers are govt and retail, this compares well with low-skill govt work. You cannot compare this to any city in the US either, maybe Detroit or somewhere? But the US is just another world relative to Europe (Glasgow is more like somewhere like rural West Virginia...but a city).
  - mjhay 4y ago
    According to this site, the average salary in Glasgow is north of 17/hr: https://uk.talent.com/salary?job=glasgow https://uk.talent.com/salary?job=glasgow Glasgow isn't like it used to be. Scotland in general is one of the wealthier of the UK outside of the SE. The poor areas are mostly in Wales and the North.
    - skippyboxedhero 4y ago
      Right, and what is the average age in Glasgow? What is the average age of people working in the Apple store? I live in Scotland near Glasgow, my family is from there, I have been there frequently over the span of decades. Parts of it are wealthy, but the vast majority is not. Almost everyone who can leave when they are young, does leave...that speaks for itself (I grew up in Scotland, I know maybe 40-50 people who grew up in Glasgow...I cannot recall one person who still lives there, it happens but not by choice). And if you look at any statistic, it is poor (and the heavily reliance on govt spending inc. jobs). Scotland is not wealthy "in general" at all (again, before you reply: I have lived there for over two decades). Edinburgh is relatively wealthy, it is at the top of cities outside London. Aberdeen is wealthy because of oil. But the rest of the country is not. And even then, these stats are misleading. Edinburgh has individuals who drag up the average (to a large extent, these people do not exist in Glasgow...there is no "upside" scenario) but if you look at the worst areas of Edinburgh, they are worse than anywhere in the UK. This kind of grinding poverty is unique to Scotland and hasn't changed. In fact, one of the lowest life expectancy neighbourhoods in Europe (iirc, it was under 60...and this was in 2005) was in Edinburgh. They redistricted the area (they actually knocked down almost all the housing in the worst area) so it dropped out of the stats, but those areas still exist. It isn't like the North-East either. In the North-East you have high levels of deprivation but you see less harm than in Scotland. If you look at the worst places in the UK for life expectancy - https://www.statista.com/statistics/296698/local-areas-with-highest-male-life-expectancy-united-kingdom-uk/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/296698/local-areas-with-... - almost all of them are in Scotland. The only place that really compares in England is Blackpool and possibly Sunderland, both places are regarded as exceptional...and you see it in: Ayrshire, Lanarkshire, Glasgow, Dundee, etc. Blackpool is a tiny place, it is all over Scotland. Btw, this is one of the common misconceptions from people online who have only ever been to Scotland on holiday. Cities like Edinburgh are more segregated than any other city in the UK. I know people who lived in Edinburgh for years (I went to university there), and you take them into the areas for locals (often down a side street near a tourist area) and they have never seen anything like it (the only place I have been that compares is public housing in Milan and rural Eastern Europe, I haven't seen anywhere in the UK like it).

KennyBlanken 4y ago

In the wake of someone driving an SUV through an Apple store, I saw a LinkedIn post by some VP of retail stores. They were in a position that sounded sort of like they were in an HR-ish, "people management" role. Lots of talk about family, and close knit this, and "it's my job to support them" that. The usual self-righteous linkedin bullshit, but unusually brazen given someone was killed and a couple people injured. I remember thinking "if they're so 'supported' by one of the world's richest companies, why do so many of them want to unionize?" $15/hour for high-end retail is peanuts in almost any urban area. Given how much cash Apple has, and how fast they continue to accumulate it, they can absolutely afford to pay a livable wage to their retail employees.

skippyboxedhero 4y ago
$15/hour in Glasgow in retail is good. That is £19k/year net. The minimum wage in the UK is ~£9.50, and a lot of people in retail will be on substantially less (because the rate varies by age). You may not know a lot about Glasgow either, it isn't like "any urban area". It is one of the poorest places in the UK, massive opioid problem, lowest life expectancy in the UK (in the poorest areas), derelict housing everywhere, highest rate of refugees per capita, high levels of violent crime (amazingly, this has got substantially better and it is still terrible by the metric of anyone familiar with crime in other countries)...the only big employers are govt and retail, this compares well with low-skill govt work. You cannot compare this to any city in the US either, maybe Detroit or somewhere? But the US is just another world relative to Europe (Glasgow is more like somewhere like rural West Virginia...but a city).
- mjhay 4y ago
  According to this site, the average salary in Glasgow is north of 17/hr: https://uk.talent.com/salary?job=glasgow https://uk.talent.com/salary?job=glasgow Glasgow isn't like it used to be. Scotland in general is one of the wealthier of the UK outside of the SE. The poor areas are mostly in Wales and the North.
  - skippyboxedhero 4y ago
    Right, and what is the average age in Glasgow? What is the average age of people working in the Apple store? I live in Scotland near Glasgow, my family is from there, I have been there frequently over the span of decades. Parts of it are wealthy, but the vast majority is not. Almost everyone who can leave when they are young, does leave...that speaks for itself (I grew up in Scotland, I know maybe 40-50 people who grew up in Glasgow...I cannot recall one person who still lives there, it happens but not by choice). And if you look at any statistic, it is poor (and the heavily reliance on govt spending inc. jobs). Scotland is not wealthy "in general" at all (again, before you reply: I have lived there for over two decades). Edinburgh is relatively wealthy, it is at the top of cities outside London. Aberdeen is wealthy because of oil. But the rest of the country is not. And even then, these stats are misleading. Edinburgh has individuals who drag up the average (to a large extent, these people do not exist in Glasgow...there is no "upside" scenario) but if you look at the worst areas of Edinburgh, they are worse than anywhere in the UK. This kind of grinding poverty is unique to Scotland and hasn't changed. In fact, one of the lowest life expectancy neighbourhoods in Europe (iirc, it was under 60...and this was in 2005) was in Edinburgh. They redistricted the area (they actually knocked down almost all the housing in the worst area) so it dropped out of the stats, but those areas still exist. It isn't like the North-East either. In the North-East you have high levels of deprivation but you see less harm than in Scotland. If you look at the worst places in the UK for life expectancy - https://www.statista.com/statistics/296698/local-areas-with-highest-male-life-expectancy-united-kingdom-uk/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/296698/local-areas-with-... - almost all of them are in Scotland. The only place that really compares in England is Blackpool and possibly Sunderland, both places are regarded as exceptional...and you see it in: Ayrshire, Lanarkshire, Glasgow, Dundee, etc. Blackpool is a tiny place, it is all over Scotland. Btw, this is one of the common misconceptions from people online who have only ever been to Scotland on holiday. Cities like Edinburgh are more segregated than any other city in the UK. I know people who lived in Edinburgh for years (I went to university there), and you take them into the areas for locals (often down a side street near a tourist area) and they have never seen anything like it (the only place I have been that compares is public housing in Milan and rural Eastern Europe, I haven't seen anywhere in the UK like it).