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> If people don't like it they can turn it off If I, perchance, encounter software I use phoning home without my explicit permission it's done on my systems. P

> If people don't like it they can turn it off If I, perchance, encounter software I use phoning home without my explicit permission it's done on my systems. Period.

bioemerl 4y ago
That is fine, but in this case telemetry trades you (and other more hardline users) as a user for all the extra users you gain from instant crash reports, quick feedback, and generally better productivity. I would never personally make that trade-off, and would always put (disableable) telemetry in my projects.
Spivak 4y ago
Well according to our telemetry 0% of users turn it off so it seems pretty popular. But more realistically what you gain in privacy you give up in having your voice heard by the devs. The decisions about the future of the product/project will be driven by the data, specifically the data from the kind of people who leave telemetry on.
- JohnFen 4y ago
  If 0% of your users disable it, that kind of screams there's something wrong with your opt-out mechanism. Is it broken? Hidden? Difficult to do? I mean, with any group of people, there will always be a percentage that will disable it. If the telemetry is popular, that percentage might be very small, but it would be non-zero.
  - jwilk 4y ago
    I think you missed the joke.
    - JohnFen 4y ago
      Oh! That's what the whooshing sound over my head was!
    - bioemerl 4y ago
      Oh shit, I missed it as well.
  - groestl 4y ago
    Well, those that turned it off are not phoning home, so the rest will be 100% ;)
- groestl 4y ago
  See, I _am_ a dev. I run telemetry on my infrastructure, I analyse it and fix what's broken, and if necessary, try and get upstream fixed. Also, I'm not opposed to telemetry in general, but if a switch like this is turned on by default, trust is broken for good. Software which does any type of computing without it's user's informed consent is classifiable as malware, mind you.

> If people don't like it they can turn it off If I, perchance, encounter software I use phoning home without my explicit permission it's done on my systems. Period.

bioemerl 4y ago

That is fine, but in this case telemetry trades you (and other more hardline users) as a user for all the extra users you gain from instant crash reports, quick feedback, and generally better productivity. I would never personally make that trade-off, and would always put (disableable) telemetry in my projects.

Spivak 4y ago

Well according to our telemetry 0% of users turn it off so it seems pretty popular. But more realistically what you gain in privacy you give up in having your voice heard by the devs. The decisions about the future of the product/project will be driven by the data, specifically the data from the kind of people who leave telemetry on.

JohnFen 4y ago
If 0% of your users disable it, that kind of screams there's something wrong with your opt-out mechanism. Is it broken? Hidden? Difficult to do? I mean, with any group of people, there will always be a percentage that will disable it. If the telemetry is popular, that percentage might be very small, but it would be non-zero.
- jwilk 4y ago
  I think you missed the joke.
  - JohnFen 4y ago
    Oh! That's what the whooshing sound over my head was!
  - bioemerl 4y ago
    Oh shit, I missed it as well.
- groestl 4y ago
  Well, those that turned it off are not phoning home, so the rest will be 100% ;)
groestl 4y ago
See, I _am_ a dev. I run telemetry on my infrastructure, I analyse it and fix what's broken, and if necessary, try and get upstream fixed. Also, I'm not opposed to telemetry in general, but if a switch like this is turned on by default, trust is broken for good. Software which does any type of computing without it's user's informed consent is classifiable as malware, mind you.