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Google, with all its vices, is not the one ripping everyone off by passing content it scrapes around the web as its own without links/attribution. It’s designed

Google, with all its vices, is not the one ripping everyone off by passing content it scrapes around the web as its own without links/attribution. It’s designed to send traffic your way, preserving your ability to interact with your readers. OTOH Microsoft, through OpenAI, is performing the ultimate bait-and-switch, and somehow it seems as if the community is mostly praising them for that.

waynesonfire 4y ago
Google is certainly ripping everyone off, did you miss the news on the second antitrust case that DOJ has filed against Google?
- anileated 4y ago
  > Google is certainly ripping everyone off Care to explain how does what Google is doing compare to what OpenAI/Microsoft is doing? In context of ethics and legal uses of intellectual property, please. Otherwise I can’t see how this bears any relevance to my point. > the second antitrust case that DOJ has filed against Google There was an antitrust case against Microsoft too back in 2001, remember what came out of it?
  - justinclift 4y ago
    > There was an antitrust case against Microsoft too back in 2001, remember what came out of it? They were found guilty as all hell by the EU, and were apparently nearly broken up. Pity they got to keep as one entity. :( Their next go around by the EU would hopefully permanently solve them, though that's more wishful thinking than anything. ;)
    - anileated 4y ago
      I only meant the US case, and somehow it doesn’t strike me as an example of justice having been done. Yes, hopefully EU/US are looking into what MS/OAI is doing now and preparing to sue again, but yes I also don’t have much confidence in legal systems moving at the warranted speed. In any case, it’s difficult to see how it’s even relevant. Google: monopolizes search. MS/OAI: straight up ignores copyright. You can see how Google may be benefitting from being the largest search provider and others (Kagi, etc.) have difficult time competing, but my viewpoint is that surprisingly enough now we have a new villain in town compared to whom even Google seems to be playing fairly.
jacquesm 4y ago
> Google, with all its vices, is not the one ripping everyone off by passing content it scrapes around the web as its own without links/attribution It does just that in many cases. Or did you think someone at Google writes those info boxes at the top of your search query? https://support.google.com/knowledgepanel/answer/9163198?hl=en https://support.google.com/knowledgepanel/answer/9163198?hl=...
- anileated 4y ago
  First, you seem to be willfully ignoring the point, because crucially Google provides attribution and links—I see them under each answer—to the source. This is what I mean by it preserving your opportunity to engage with your audience. Second, you recall how even that, those answer snippets with attribution and all, have caused outrage over publishers and webmasters losing traffic and revenue[0]? Now imagine Google only showed scraped content, no links or attribution, and you will begin to see the extent of shenanigans OAI/MS are attempting now. [0] Cf. https://www.wired.com/story/australia-media-code-facebook-google/ https://www.wired.com/story/australia-media-code-facebook-go...

waynesonfire 4y ago

Google is certainly ripping everyone off, did you miss the news on the second antitrust case that DOJ has filed against Google?

anileated 4y ago
> Google is certainly ripping everyone off Care to explain how does what Google is doing compare to what OpenAI/Microsoft is doing? In context of ethics and legal uses of intellectual property, please. Otherwise I can’t see how this bears any relevance to my point. > the second antitrust case that DOJ has filed against Google There was an antitrust case against Microsoft too back in 2001, remember what came out of it?
- justinclift 4y ago
  > There was an antitrust case against Microsoft too back in 2001, remember what came out of it? They were found guilty as all hell by the EU, and were apparently nearly broken up. Pity they got to keep as one entity. :( Their next go around by the EU would hopefully permanently solve them, though that's more wishful thinking than anything. ;)
  - anileated 4y ago
    I only meant the US case, and somehow it doesn’t strike me as an example of justice having been done. Yes, hopefully EU/US are looking into what MS/OAI is doing now and preparing to sue again, but yes I also don’t have much confidence in legal systems moving at the warranted speed. In any case, it’s difficult to see how it’s even relevant. Google: monopolizes search. MS/OAI: straight up ignores copyright. You can see how Google may be benefitting from being the largest search provider and others (Kagi, etc.) have difficult time competing, but my viewpoint is that surprisingly enough now we have a new villain in town compared to whom even Google seems to be playing fairly.

jacquesm 4y ago

> Google, with all its vices, is not the one ripping everyone off by passing content it scrapes around the web as its own without links/attribution It does just that in many cases. Or did you think someone at Google writes those info boxes at the top of your search query? https://support.google.com/knowledgepanel/answer/9163198?hl=en https://support.google.com/knowledgepanel/answer/9163198?hl=...

anileated 4y ago
First, you seem to be willfully ignoring the point, because crucially Google provides attribution and links—I see them under each answer—to the source. This is what I mean by it preserving your opportunity to engage with your audience. Second, you recall how even that, those answer snippets with attribution and all, have caused outrage over publishers and webmasters losing traffic and revenue[0]? Now imagine Google only showed scraped content, no links or attribution, and you will begin to see the extent of shenanigans OAI/MS are attempting now. [0] Cf. https://www.wired.com/story/australia-media-code-facebook-google/ https://www.wired.com/story/australia-media-code-facebook-go...