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God bless Valve for making a viable linux mobile OS that isn't Android. What's to stop them from making a phone at this point? One can dream.

LeFantome 4y ago
I imagine the biggest obstacle is that it has nothing to do with their business. If they are well run, it seems unlikely.
- ramesh31 4y ago
  >I imagine the biggest obstacle is that it has nothing to do with their business. Mobile is far and away the most profitable, highest revenue segment of the gaming market by a huge margin. I can't imagine they don't want a piece of that.
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  - AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
    I can, because they really don't seem to. They aren't a publicly traded company beholden to corporate share holders who only value profit. They have a history of behavior which suggests they care about PC gaming and not a heck of a lot else. Arguably they don't even care about the money that much. Did you know you can sell Steam keys on other store fronts and Valve won't even take a cut?
  - tl 4y ago
    Want and ability are two different things. Valve released a phenomonal but imperfect update to the Nintendo Switch which has sold about 1% as well. If Sony released a PlayStation Phone tomorrow, and failed to update it for years despite massive interest, then you'd see a SteamPhone.
  - OkayPhysicist 4y ago
    Not to mention the fact that they might be able to tap into a market that practically doesn't exist anymore: paid mobile games. Like, actual, "I pay you $5-40, you give me a complete game". People are in the habit of buying games on Steam. Half of the top-20 most played games on Steam right now cost money. SteamDeckPhone's sales would probably be disproportionately people who already use Steam on the PC and/or the Steam Deck, so it would be a significantly different audience than the broader mobile gaming market.
- red-iron-pine 4y ago
  * deep, complex, and regulated market. by comparison, not a lot of FCC rules or local 911 rules related to a Steam Deck. * strong, like STRONG competition from global leaders a la Apple and Samsung * much deeper requirements for OEM builds, otherwise they're just white labelling hardware. makes sense for the Steam Deck since the offering is the Steam software and compatibility layer. * they're in the business of software and software support, and some light hardware support viz. the Valve Index and Steam Deck. but the average person looks at their phone 5+ hours a day and defines many of their life functions are dictated by their phone -- e.g. alarm clock, fitness tracker, music, many forms of interpersonal communication. they will drastically need to up their QA, support, and compatibility -- and those have non-trivial costs. * OEM manufacturing has ruthless margins; they're a private org but still * non-trivial build and launch costs
  - ramesh31 4y ago
    I'll just say that these are, point for point, the exact same arguments made 20 years ago against the iPhone coming to market.
    - deafpolygon 4y ago
      Except, iPhones were first to market with an app store. There's a stronghold that Valve would need to break. If Microsoft couldn't do it with the full weight of its developer division and Windows Phone, then it's not likely Valve can.
      - ramesh31 4y ago
        >There's a stronghold that Valve would need to break. If only Valve had a world class digital marketplace...
dageshi 4y ago
The same reason that stopped everyone else that tried, the mobile os market is mature and not enough people want or care about another mobile os to make it worth the effort.
- ramesh31 4y ago
  >The same reason that stopped everyone else that tried, the mobile os market is mature and not enough people want or care about another mobile os to make it worth the effort. The point is that they have one now. SteamOS is 10 years old at this point. They've undoubtedly dumped millions into it already, and done most of the wireless networking, battery performance, and UI work needed for Steam Deck. It's a pretty short leap for a company like Valve to add a 5G modem and miniaturize the form factor from there.
  - dageshi 4y ago
    I've no doubt they can make it technically speaking. It's just not enough people would buy it to make it worth their while.
    - TulliusCicero 4y ago
      Exactly. iOS and Android are good enough for most people. The number of people who'd buy a 'real' Linux-based smartphone simply on principle is tiny.
      - jononor 4y ago
        How many would buy a gaming-first phone (by Valve)? I don't quite know what such a product would mean in practice, or if there is a killer "app" (game) for phone. But it would have higher probabilities of success than "a real Linux phone".
        TulliusCicero 4y ago
        Gaming oriented phones exist for sure. One by Valve with SteamOS, yeah maybe. It's hard to get around the awkwardness of the physical button problem though: having buttons makes the phone awkward, not having them makes gaming awkward.

LeFantome 4y ago

I imagine the biggest obstacle is that it has nothing to do with their business. If they are well run, it seems unlikely.

ramesh31 4y ago
>I imagine the biggest obstacle is that it has nothing to do with their business. Mobile is far and away the most profitable, highest revenue segment of the gaming market by a huge margin. I can't imagine they don't want a piece of that.
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- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  I can, because they really don't seem to. They aren't a publicly traded company beholden to corporate share holders who only value profit. They have a history of behavior which suggests they care about PC gaming and not a heck of a lot else. Arguably they don't even care about the money that much. Did you know you can sell Steam keys on other store fronts and Valve won't even take a cut?
- tl 4y ago
  Want and ability are two different things. Valve released a phenomonal but imperfect update to the Nintendo Switch which has sold about 1% as well. If Sony released a PlayStation Phone tomorrow, and failed to update it for years despite massive interest, then you'd see a SteamPhone.
- OkayPhysicist 4y ago
  Not to mention the fact that they might be able to tap into a market that practically doesn't exist anymore: paid mobile games. Like, actual, "I pay you $5-40, you give me a complete game". People are in the habit of buying games on Steam. Half of the top-20 most played games on Steam right now cost money. SteamDeckPhone's sales would probably be disproportionately people who already use Steam on the PC and/or the Steam Deck, so it would be a significantly different audience than the broader mobile gaming market.
red-iron-pine 4y ago
* deep, complex, and regulated market. by comparison, not a lot of FCC rules or local 911 rules related to a Steam Deck. * strong, like STRONG competition from global leaders a la Apple and Samsung * much deeper requirements for OEM builds, otherwise they're just white labelling hardware. makes sense for the Steam Deck since the offering is the Steam software and compatibility layer. * they're in the business of software and software support, and some light hardware support viz. the Valve Index and Steam Deck. but the average person looks at their phone 5+ hours a day and defines many of their life functions are dictated by their phone -- e.g. alarm clock, fitness tracker, music, many forms of interpersonal communication. they will drastically need to up their QA, support, and compatibility -- and those have non-trivial costs. * OEM manufacturing has ruthless margins; they're a private org but still * non-trivial build and launch costs
- ramesh31 4y ago
  I'll just say that these are, point for point, the exact same arguments made 20 years ago against the iPhone coming to market.
  - deafpolygon 4y ago
    Except, iPhones were first to market with an app store. There's a stronghold that Valve would need to break. If Microsoft couldn't do it with the full weight of its developer division and Windows Phone, then it's not likely Valve can.
    - ramesh31 4y ago
      >There's a stronghold that Valve would need to break. If only Valve had a world class digital marketplace...

dageshi 4y ago

The same reason that stopped everyone else that tried, the mobile os market is mature and not enough people want or care about another mobile os to make it worth the effort.

ramesh31 4y ago
>The same reason that stopped everyone else that tried, the mobile os market is mature and not enough people want or care about another mobile os to make it worth the effort. The point is that they have one now. SteamOS is 10 years old at this point. They've undoubtedly dumped millions into it already, and done most of the wireless networking, battery performance, and UI work needed for Steam Deck. It's a pretty short leap for a company like Valve to add a 5G modem and miniaturize the form factor from there.
- dageshi 4y ago
  I've no doubt they can make it technically speaking. It's just not enough people would buy it to make it worth their while.
  - TulliusCicero 4y ago
    Exactly. iOS and Android are good enough for most people. The number of people who'd buy a 'real' Linux-based smartphone simply on principle is tiny.
    - jononor 4y ago
      How many would buy a gaming-first phone (by Valve)? I don't quite know what such a product would mean in practice, or if there is a killer "app" (game) for phone. But it would have higher probabilities of success than "a real Linux phone".
      - TulliusCicero 4y ago
        Gaming oriented phones exist for sure. One by Valve with SteamOS, yeah maybe. It's hard to get around the awkwardness of the physical button problem though: having buttons makes the phone awkward, not having them makes gaming awkward.