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Germany gets its gas natural gas from Norway now. It would be unlikely that the U.S. would attack the gas supplies of a major NATO ally. Especially when that

Germany gets its gas natural gas from Norway now. It would be unlikely that the U.S. would attack the gas supplies of a major NATO ally. Especially when that ally has been less than enthusiastic in helping Ukraine. https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/where-does-germany-stand-gas-supply-2023-01-20/ https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/where-does-germany-s...

mytailorisrich 4y ago
They get a lot from Norway because it is near and there are pipelines, but US' LNG exports to the EU are through the roof and will keep growing as things get organised. Joe talks a lot: "If Russia invades, that means tanks and troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2, we will bring an end to it." -- Joe Biden, Feb 2022, with the German's Chancellor standing next to him! [1] So at the very least the US thought that they indeed had control over that "major NATO ally" and could make thinly veiled threats to their face. Why you think that the US would be above sabotage on a matter of strategic national interests is unclear. [1] https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-joe-biden-vladimir-putin-europe-moscow-46f8be10fa71af16bae8f3a9bd82918d https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-joe-biden-vladimir...
- syzarian 4y ago
  On February 22, 2022 German Chancellor Scholz suspended certification of Nordstream2 following Russia formally recognizing Donetsk and Luhansk as republics. I believe that, but can’t find a confirming source, that Russia was obligated to make deliveries via Nordstream1 even though it did not have access to SWIFT. By it no longer being operational it was no longer required to make deliveries. It is inconceivable that Biden made that comment without consulting Germany. Also it was primarily Nordstream1 that was attacked. Gas prices spiked and it seems likelier that Russia was behind it. At least to me. I don’t know the truth of the matter.
  - pphysch 4y ago
    Washington, under Obama, was caught spying directly on Angela Merkel and her government. What leads you to believe that Washington has ever respected Germany, which it occupies with tens of thousands of troops, as a sovereign equal?
    - syzarian 4y ago
      It requires one to be fairly detached from political reality to describe U.S. military forces in German as an occupation. You lose credibility by saying such a thing. You should reconsider the sources of your information.
      - pphysch 4y ago
        On the contrary, it is an objective portrayal of the facts which is not clouded by political smoke and mirrors. Washington defeated Germany and Japan in the 1940s and proceeded to demilitarize them and occupy them with its own forces. This is historically standard military practice. It is not a "nice gesture" from Washington. It was all part of a coherent strategy to contain and confront the rival USSR, around which Germany and Japan represent critical nodes.
        jonnybgood 4y ago
        The US pays Germany to be there. Germany leases the land US military bases are on to the US. For Germany this provides security guarantees as Germany doesn’t want to increase funding to its own military and provides economic booms to the local areas. This is far from an occupation.
        pphysch 4y ago
        British Monarchists made the same arguments about royal troops in the soon-to-be United States of America.
        4y ago
theironhammer 4y ago
There's this from George Friedman in 2015 The Chicago Council on Global Affairs (@1:38 mins) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eyfTX5n_fdI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eyfTX5n_fdI where he mentions economic relations between Russia and Germany are the biggest threat to the United States. Also see here https://www.reddit.com/r/jimmydore/comments/10x3yfq/jimmy_dore_ukraine_war_is_about_making_sure/ https://www.reddit.com/r/jimmydore/comments/10x3yfq/jimmy_do...

mytailorisrich 4y ago

They get a lot from Norway because it is near and there are pipelines, but US' LNG exports to the EU are through the roof and will keep growing as things get organised. Joe talks a lot: "If Russia invades, that means tanks and troops crossing the border of Ukraine again, then there will be no longer a Nord Stream 2, we will bring an end to it." -- Joe Biden, Feb 2022, with the German's Chancellor standing next to him! [1] So at the very least the US thought that they indeed had control over that "major NATO ally" and could make thinly veiled threats to their face. Why you think that the US would be above sabotage on a matter of strategic national interests is unclear. [1] https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-joe-biden-vladimir-putin-europe-moscow-46f8be10fa71af16bae8f3a9bd82918d https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-joe-biden-vladimir...

syzarian 4y ago
On February 22, 2022 German Chancellor Scholz suspended certification of Nordstream2 following Russia formally recognizing Donetsk and Luhansk as republics. I believe that, but can’t find a confirming source, that Russia was obligated to make deliveries via Nordstream1 even though it did not have access to SWIFT. By it no longer being operational it was no longer required to make deliveries. It is inconceivable that Biden made that comment without consulting Germany. Also it was primarily Nordstream1 that was attacked. Gas prices spiked and it seems likelier that Russia was behind it. At least to me. I don’t know the truth of the matter.
- pphysch 4y ago
  Washington, under Obama, was caught spying directly on Angela Merkel and her government. What leads you to believe that Washington has ever respected Germany, which it occupies with tens of thousands of troops, as a sovereign equal?
  - syzarian 4y ago
    It requires one to be fairly detached from political reality to describe U.S. military forces in German as an occupation. You lose credibility by saying such a thing. You should reconsider the sources of your information.
    - pphysch 4y ago
      On the contrary, it is an objective portrayal of the facts which is not clouded by political smoke and mirrors. Washington defeated Germany and Japan in the 1940s and proceeded to demilitarize them and occupy them with its own forces. This is historically standard military practice. It is not a "nice gesture" from Washington. It was all part of a coherent strategy to contain and confront the rival USSR, around which Germany and Japan represent critical nodes.
      - jonnybgood 4y ago
        The US pays Germany to be there. Germany leases the land US military bases are on to the US. For Germany this provides security guarantees as Germany doesn’t want to increase funding to its own military and provides economic booms to the local areas. This is far from an occupation.
        pphysch 4y ago
        British Monarchists made the same arguments about royal troops in the soon-to-be United States of America.
        4y ago

theironhammer 4y ago

There's this from George Friedman in 2015 The Chicago Council on Global Affairs (@1:38 mins) https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eyfTX5n_fdI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=eyfTX5n_fdI where he mentions economic relations between Russia and Germany are the biggest threat to the United States. Also see here https://www.reddit.com/r/jimmydore/comments/10x3yfq/jimmy_dore_ukraine_war_is_about_making_sure/ https://www.reddit.com/r/jimmydore/comments/10x3yfq/jimmy_do...