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> Should be easy to show us some major examples on the left then. I can't think of a single governor moving the way Abbott and DeSantis are. It is. How many b

> Should be easy to show us some major examples on the left then. I can't think of a single governor moving the way Abbott and DeSantis are. It is. How many books that are anathema to the left do you think you'd find in a school library (e.g. something skeptical about transgenderism)? If you look at library weeding criteria, you'll typically find language about removing books that are now politically incorrect (though they wouldn't use that term). It's also a mistake to insist on exact symmetry. My understanding is the left is quite over-represented in the librarian profession as a whole, and "book ban" is misleadingly defined as overriding the choices of those public employees: > It is important to recognize that books available in schools, whether in a school or classroom library, or as part of a curriculum, were selected by librarians and educators as part of the educational offerings to students. Book bans occur when those choices are overridden by school boards, administrators, teachers, or even politicians, on the basis of a particular book’s content (https://pen.org/report/banned-usa-growing-movement-to-censor-books-in-schools/ https://pen.org/report/banned-usa-growing-movement-to-censor...). If a different situation were true (e.g. conservative Christians were quite over-represented in the librarian profession), I'm absolutely certain you'd see political responses from liberal government authorities.

Forgeties79 4y ago
>If something different were true (e.g. conservative Christians were quite over-represented in the librarian profession), I'm absolutely sure you'd see political responses from liberal government authorities. This is demonstrably not true by the fact that this is happening more against topics conservatives find distasteful or offensive (such as LGBT works), as per your own article. Look at that map and the subjects being banned.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > This is conjecture. So? Is it unreasonable? Do you really think you'd see a rousing fight from the left to defend books that discouraged or condemned gender transitions? Or would you see outrage and calls that "something must be done!" to protect kids from those ideas? Even the ACLU is backing off from defending people and ideas that offend their liberal supporters. And the rest isn't conjecture.
  - Forgeties79 4y ago
    We don't need to guess. We have plenty of democrat governors who are not doing this at all. You still haven't provided an example and your own article contradicts your general statements.
    - tablespoon 4y ago
      > We have plenty of democrat governors who are not doing this at all. You still haven't provided an example and your own article contradicts your general statements. You're missing my point completely, and misunderstanding how I was using the article I linked. To put it really bluntly: a Democrat governor and a Republican governor are not going to respond identically to an abortion ban. Likewise, a Democrat governor isn't going to take any action to "ban books" if lower level government actors are already making book decisions according to his wishes. It would be unnecessary. Slot in a Republican governor into the same scenario, and he has to override those lower level government actors who are working in harmony with Democrat priorities. It's foolish to look for or require total symmetry to see similarities. There are "book bans" coming from both ideological factions, they're just implemented differently.
      - Forgeties79 4y ago
        > if lower level government actors are already making book decisions according to his wishes. It behooves you to show evidence that this is happening. So far you’re generalizing a fair bit while not citing, well, anything.
ModernMech 4y ago
> Should be easy to show us some major examples on the left then. > It is. I notice you didn't actually supply a major example. Instead what you did was come up with a hypothetical that matched your rhetoric. Obviously that's easy for you, but you still didn't actually supply a major example. Usually an example would come from the real world and include a citation. Can you take another stab at it?

Forgeties79 4y ago

>If something different were true (e.g. conservative Christians were quite over-represented in the librarian profession), I'm absolutely sure you'd see political responses from liberal government authorities. This is demonstrably not true by the fact that this is happening more against topics conservatives find distasteful or offensive (such as LGBT works), as per your own article. Look at that map and the subjects being banned.

tablespoon 4y ago
> This is conjecture. So? Is it unreasonable? Do you really think you'd see a rousing fight from the left to defend books that discouraged or condemned gender transitions? Or would you see outrage and calls that "something must be done!" to protect kids from those ideas? Even the ACLU is backing off from defending people and ideas that offend their liberal supporters. And the rest isn't conjecture.
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  We don't need to guess. We have plenty of democrat governors who are not doing this at all. You still haven't provided an example and your own article contradicts your general statements.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > We have plenty of democrat governors who are not doing this at all. You still haven't provided an example and your own article contradicts your general statements. You're missing my point completely, and misunderstanding how I was using the article I linked. To put it really bluntly: a Democrat governor and a Republican governor are not going to respond identically to an abortion ban. Likewise, a Democrat governor isn't going to take any action to "ban books" if lower level government actors are already making book decisions according to his wishes. It would be unnecessary. Slot in a Republican governor into the same scenario, and he has to override those lower level government actors who are working in harmony with Democrat priorities. It's foolish to look for or require total symmetry to see similarities. There are "book bans" coming from both ideological factions, they're just implemented differently.
    - Forgeties79 4y ago
      > if lower level government actors are already making book decisions according to his wishes. It behooves you to show evidence that this is happening. So far you’re generalizing a fair bit while not citing, well, anything.

ModernMech 4y ago

> Should be easy to show us some major examples on the left then. > It is. I notice you didn't actually supply a major example. Instead what you did was come up with a hypothetical that matched your rhetoric. Obviously that's easy for you, but you still didn't actually supply a major example. Usually an example would come from the real world and include a citation. Can you take another stab at it?