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> Google is going to bleed credibility for every month that they don't have a lamda/llm enabled search integrated into the home page. I don't know that end-use

• ugjka 4y ago
  I use ChatGPT precisely because I don't want to sift trhough search result links
  • exitheone 4y ago
    My experience with chatgpt is that it is essentially a misinformation generator. It manages to bullshit with incredible confidence.
    • HeckFeck 4y ago
      The most useful ChatGPT has been is the entertainment from all the videos and screencaps of people trying to break it or force it into extreme moral quandaries. Perhaps this will wear down AI and it will want nothing to do with us, thus saving humanity from the machines.
      • rchaud 4y ago
        There have already been several stories on HN's front page the past few weeks about how ChatGPT is 'too woke' because they could not get it to talk like a 4chan poster.
    • pixl97 4y ago
      ChatGPT really missed the boat to sell crypto, could have funded itself that way.
• Swizec 4y ago
  Here is a practical example of a problem I couldn’t solve with Google, but could in 5 seconds with GPT. We use deities to name our sprints at work. When you search Google for “Deity starting with <letter>”, you get a list of greek and roman gods. I got tired of that. So I asked GPT “what is a god that starts with <letter> and isn’t roman or greek”. It immediately spat out a Norse god. Next time it was Hindu. The increased variety was refreshing as hell. Google was not able to process a negative query. Plus the added paragraph of description about that deity was lovely. The point is: Sometimes (often) I don’t want search, I just want a good enough answer.
  • zoover2020 4y ago
    Ah the good ol' deity sprint names use case every team has!
  • cuttysnark 4y ago
    I had to work with a list of the 50 states abbreviations, full names, etc. Previously, I'd have found the data somewhere with Google et al and then manipulated it myself into the JSON I needed. But this time I asked GPT to not only source the data, but also return it structured to my liking—with revisions ("please include Guam and Puetro Rico") Lots of my searches are simply I want an answer, but often times I also want to then do something with the result. This is where ChatGPT is going to eat Google's lunch, IMO.
    • ruined 4y ago
      this seems like the kind of thing that gpt would potentially hallucinate something like "East Virginia" or "Ardakota" complete with abbreviation, and maybe that's fine with 50 states but you're playing with fire if it's something you can't immediately catch the mistake also, how hard is it to get a list of abbreviations, and wrap them all in quote and comma and brackets. with vim that's barely more work than a copy-paste
      • cuttysnark 4y ago
        > but you're playing with fire if it's something you can't immediately catch the mistake Agreed. I was able to manually review 52 results, but wouldn't trust it blindly. > also, how hard is it to get a list of abbreviations, and wrap them all in quote and comma and brackets. Not hard at all. And I may still do that, but it was pretty enjoyable to ask the machine.
• AJ007 4y ago
  Usually I do a search, looking for specific facts, like what is the pricing for X? On Google you get to click through links and read a lot of filter, ads, promotions, etc. Why not just get the answer? A huge percentage of searches are for existing websites, like "facebook." This might not be a big challenge if you just wanted to go to facebook. This morning I saw a retweet from a Google/former Deepmind engineer, of someone who said they completely switched from Google to using perplexity.ai. I checked it out again (I've used perplexity before.) I did a test search for interest rates, and perplexity returned the correct interest rate for the day along with the trading range. I think Google is really in trouble. I'd say the golden goose is in the process of being slaughtered. None of this is a surprise. Google's voice assistant has been really good for years. Nothing came close to it. Siri is close to useless. Maybe Google can pivot and they'll be fine. I don't know what the economics look like.
  • noelsusman 4y ago
    As a random experiment I asked both platforms "What is the current average mortgage rate?" https://www.perplexity.ai/?s=u&uuid=6f7fe592-c11f-4df9-a2bf-bb9e1a9ce5e4 https://www.perplexity.ai/?s=u&uuid=6f7fe592-c11f-4df9-a2bf-... https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+current+average+mortgage+rate https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+current+average+... Google's results were far more informative and usable. I then tried something I thought would be more up Perplexity's alley: "Who was the first US president with a last name starting with R?" https://www.perplexity.ai/?s=u&uuid=8d60cf3f-eab5-4af6-a616-ae6dce92663e https://www.perplexity.ai/?s=u&uuid=8d60cf3f-eab5-4af6-a616-... Their answer is not correct. Google didn't even try to answer my question directly, but it did send me to a government website with a chronological list of presidents where I was able to quickly verify that the answer was Teddy Roosevelt.
    • flir 4y ago
      > The first US president with a last name starting with "R" was John Quincy Adams, whose middle name started with "R". If you're looking for a president whose last name starts with "R", then the first would be James A. Garfield. ChatGPT is amazing, until it isn't.
• drakmo 4y ago
  A case I had right now. Just try to google this: When migrating from Swagger 2 ApiOperation annotation to OpenAPI 3.0 Operation by what attribute is nickname replaced? And then ask ChatGPT ... Google is done
  • rchaud 4y ago
    OK, so GPT is good at parsing technical documentation. What about the other 95% of search volume that isn't tech-related?
    • yao420 4y ago
      TikTok believe it or not. I had a 19yr old cousin tell me that she almost uses TikTok exclusively for tutorials and when I pushed back and said why/how the other teens in the family heavily agreed. I’ve since asked ~5 gen z (I don’t interact with many!) and they told me the same.
      • throwawayapples 4y ago
        I almost hate to ask, but are these makeup or clothing tutorials?
      • rchaud 4y ago
        I've heard this anecdotally, but I kinda still don't believe it, as TikTok seems like an entertainment first avenue, not for more substantive learning. However, I could be completely wrong and TikTok video is the future of search. If so, where does that leave a text-only ChatGPT?
        • vel0city 4y ago
          I wouldn't be too surprised. It kind of depends on the topic at hand but for instance I've learned a lot about what I know wrenching on my own motors from youtube videos.
  • vel0city 4y ago
• flir 4y ago
  On the basis of "if you're not paying, you're the product", maybe it's expected to open up whole ways to put ads in front of people. Google not being in the forefront of a new ad market would certainly do bad things to their share price.
• onion2k 4y ago
  I don't know that end-users really care about having a GPT-written paragraph accompanying their search results. For 90% of my searches I don't want any search results. I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question. In the olden days of the web I had to figure out what to search to give me a website that would give me that answer as the first result, and in the mid-90s that was really hard because search was bad. In the late 90s when Google launched it got much easier, especially for things where there was a network of websites about a thing that all pointed to a canonical authority. PageRank found that authority source. Life was good. Over the next 20 years the war between Google and SEO spammers meant finding things got a bit harder. Along with that Google's proliferation of adverts on their search result pages meant it actually became harder to even find the website link I wanted in the page itself. Fortunately Google also started putting knowledge graph things in the results and the sidebar which made life less painful. I think we're due another shake-up, and Bing-GPT might be it. If they show me a simple paragraph of readable text that explains the answer to what I've searched for then that would improve most of my searches. It'd be like Google's knowledge graph box but for everything.
  • notinfuriated 4y ago
    > I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question. As others have pointed out, AI is not yet capable of this. I do agree though, I want this too. But I don't trust OpenAI or Google or anyone else to do it correctly yet.
  • Animats 4y ago
    > For 90% of my searches I don't want any search results. I want a definitive, authoritative answer to a question. Which, of course, is what Bing just announced. Whether it will be the right answer remains to be seen. Notice that there's a price increase, of sorts, for this at Bing. To get on the "waiting list" you have to sign up with Bing and agree to receive marketing information. Will public access to large language model search come with a decrease in privacy? It did for Siri and Alexa, which learn about you and cannot be used anonymously.
  • rchaud 4y ago
    > Over the next 20 years the war between Google and SEO spammers meant finding things got a bit harder. Along with that Google's proliferation of adverts on their search result pages meant it actually became harder to even find the website link I wanted in the page itself. Yes, SEO spam has largely made the search experience a lot worse and ripe for change. But ChatGPT crawls these terrible links too! Many of the links Google spits out are themselves summarizing information found elsewhere, like a book or academic paper. So why would you trust GPT to provide an authoritative answer more than your own instincts? It's omniscience is a function of everything it's crawled; that doesn't mean it has any idea of how to weave them together into a coherent response.