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This is playbook of scumbag tyrants, doesn't matter if Putin, Erdogan or similar. I for sure hope EU politicians are taking a note too, there are 2 existential

This is playbook of scumbag tyrants, doesn't matter if Putin, Erdogan or similar. I for sure hope EU politicians are taking a note too, there are 2 existential threats to democratic free Europe long term - Russia and Turkey. Both have same ambitions, are on completely opposite side of all crucial values free world holds dear. Luckily their competence severely lags behind their ambitions, to think Turkey was for some time considered to join EU... I think Ataturk would be heavily depressed if he witnessed present day Turkey and its leaders.

coffeeblack 4y ago
You are underestimating the threat that CCP China is, not just to Europe but to the entire world.
- unityByFreedom 4y ago
  China's exit, as happened 70-80 years ago, would cause us to have to work more. That might not be such a bad thing, though I doubt it will happen to the same degree. It's still fresh in everyone's mind.
- pphysch 4y ago
  No, you are just susceptible to "threat inflation". It's a very profitable industry in Washington. One country misplaces a few weather balloons, another has hundreds of overseas military bases and bombs pipelines. Yet it's the former that is a "global threat", because the latter says so. Eye roll.
  - ivalm 4y ago
    The former is also claiming that many territories it doesn’t hold are actually theirs and countries around the former are asking the latter to come help them defend in case of former’s attack.
geysersam 4y ago
Maybe if EU hadn't been so reluctant to let them in that would've put them on another path than the one they are going now.
- actionfromafar 4y ago
  Erdogan was in no rush either, his support was token at best until he could fly his true colors.
- foronetimeonly1 4y ago
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gwright 4y ago
> This is playbook of scumbag tyrants, doesn't matter if Putin, Erdogan or similar. I think you are being generous. The use of force is certainly a more extreme manifestation of the problem, but framing speech that you disagree with as "disinformation", "misinformation", "harmful", "hateful", "dangerous", "offensive", and so on is a technique used by petty tyrants and scumbag tyrants alike.
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dang 4y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34708693 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34708693.

coffeeblack 4y ago

You are underestimating the threat that CCP China is, not just to Europe but to the entire world.

unityByFreedom 4y ago
China's exit, as happened 70-80 years ago, would cause us to have to work more. That might not be such a bad thing, though I doubt it will happen to the same degree. It's still fresh in everyone's mind.
pphysch 4y ago
No, you are just susceptible to "threat inflation". It's a very profitable industry in Washington. One country misplaces a few weather balloons, another has hundreds of overseas military bases and bombs pipelines. Yet it's the former that is a "global threat", because the latter says so. Eye roll.
- ivalm 4y ago
  The former is also claiming that many territories it doesn’t hold are actually theirs and countries around the former are asking the latter to come help them defend in case of former’s attack.

geysersam 4y ago

Maybe if EU hadn't been so reluctant to let them in that would've put them on another path than the one they are going now.

actionfromafar 4y ago
Erdogan was in no rush either, his support was token at best until he could fly his true colors.
foronetimeonly1 4y ago
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gwright 4y ago

> This is playbook of scumbag tyrants, doesn't matter if Putin, Erdogan or similar. I think you are being generous. The use of force is certainly a more extreme manifestation of the problem, but framing speech that you disagree with as "disinformation", "misinformation", "harmful", "hateful", "dangerous", "offensive", and so on is a technique used by petty tyrants and scumbag tyrants alike.

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dang 4y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34708693 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34708693.