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Wow, they really are in disarray. Maybe the (ex-)Googlers in recent AI HackerNews articles are wrong in proclaiming that Google will come on top of the AI wars,

Wow, they really are in disarray. Maybe the (ex-)Googlers in recent AI HackerNews articles are wrong in proclaiming that Google will come on top of the AI wars, due to their immense contributions to its lead-up. I look forward to see what new Bing amounts to the industry, as well as Microsoft’s partnership with OpenAI for Bing, Azure, and whatever else is planned. This is an exciting tectonic shift.

passwordoops 4y ago
My wife, who uses whatever default is offered unless I provide a compelling enough argument, said she'd actively switch to Bing if it incorporated ChatGPT even in its current form.
- HaZeust 4y ago
  I’m heavily considering it myself. I know folks that are so subservient to Google that, despite Google’s objective deterioration in results as of recent, believe that something not shown on Google must mean it’s no longer accessible. Millions of people believe in the Dead Internet theory because of it, when all they need to do is try a new search engine. I look forward to seeing if Bing’s ChatGPT integration will be enough of a selling proposition to have the masses consider new alternatives for Search.
  - shubb 4y ago
    Suit at work today showed us a spreadsheet of business things he'd been working on. "See how each row has a description column so Pele who aren't familiar can understand it? I used chat gpt for those, saved me like 3 days". As devs, communicating specific ideas tersly to computers, I feel like we can miss how much this benefits other people. This feels like an excel moment for people who need to produce copy about widely known things and aren't super sensitive to quality, even now. And yes a lot of people. From mailshots to HR.
    - HaZeust 4y ago
      No doubt! It’s how AI is marketed in all places right now, “talk and ask for things as if it’s a human”. Soon gone are the days where you have to render a raw thought into a mish-mash of Search engine-friendly keywords and synonyms in order to get the most relevant results - you can ask for things from AI as if it’s your receptionist!
    - bentcorner 4y ago
      I agree, I've personally used ChatGPT as a "fill in the blanks" kind of tool for non-technical prose. I provide the skeleton and structure, ChatGPT paints in the lines. It's also extremely easy to proofread and verify it's not spouting nonsense. Would a talented writer do better? Absolutely. But I'm using it for fun and it does a much better job than I can.
- 121789 4y ago
  Why?
- verdverm 4y ago
  I'm using both Google Search and ChatGPT in parallel. ChatGPT cannot substitute at this point. It is better as a co-writer than as an answering system. It can answer open ended questions, but anything requiring specific information is questionable. And the whole programming thing? It gives wrong results that are not correct and at times don't even compile. Ask it to fix something, it does half the work. It hallucinates functions which do not exist. That being said, if you ask software problems that are not answered with code, it does a better job. People will say they would switch until they try the current iteration. We certainly want something better, a real virtual assistant, but what we have is not there yet
blihp 4y ago
It's a similar reaction that Intel supporters had when it was clear AMD had become a credible threat. There were claims that Intel had 1-2 unreleased CPU architectures just ready to drop at a moments notice to counter anything AMD came out with... we've seen how that played out. Google has been distracted milking their cash cow, just as Intel was, while the competition caught up. The main difference is that Google doesn't seem as far gone (yet) as Intel.
- izacus 4y ago
  Except that Intel does seem to be back on top again though?
  - belval 4y ago
    As someone with money invested in Intel, yes they are back on top of some benchmarks for consumer products and have been doing reasonably well overall. The issue is with the entreprise segment that is getting eaten away by AMD products that are more power efficient and have a higher number of cores due to their early bet of chiplet design (Intel is migrating to chiplet designs this generation). They are also leveraging the TSMC nodes which are overall better/more power-efficient. This is a far cry from how far ahead they were before Zen 1 dropped in 2017. They've been burning a lot of money to keep their heads out of the water.
- deleted 4y ago
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- quercusa 4y ago
  And once again, those who did not learn the lessons from Christensen's The Innovator's Dilemma will add their names to the list of formerly-dominant companies.
jatins 4y ago
> Maybe the (ex-)Googlers in recent AI HackerNews articles are wrong in proclaiming that Google will come on top of the AI wars, due to their immense contributions to its lead-up. This was also the sentiment in tech circles during early cloud wars. That Google, with it's supposedly superior engineering and infra, would win the cloud. That didn't happen -- Google not only did not win that but also lost it's lead on Azure and now stands at #3 And I feel the same will be true for AI wars.

passwordoops 4y ago

My wife, who uses whatever default is offered unless I provide a compelling enough argument, said she'd actively switch to Bing if it incorporated ChatGPT even in its current form.

HaZeust 4y ago
I’m heavily considering it myself. I know folks that are so subservient to Google that, despite Google’s objective deterioration in results as of recent, believe that something not shown on Google must mean it’s no longer accessible. Millions of people believe in the Dead Internet theory because of it, when all they need to do is try a new search engine. I look forward to seeing if Bing’s ChatGPT integration will be enough of a selling proposition to have the masses consider new alternatives for Search.
- shubb 4y ago
  Suit at work today showed us a spreadsheet of business things he'd been working on. "See how each row has a description column so Pele who aren't familiar can understand it? I used chat gpt for those, saved me like 3 days". As devs, communicating specific ideas tersly to computers, I feel like we can miss how much this benefits other people. This feels like an excel moment for people who need to produce copy about widely known things and aren't super sensitive to quality, even now. And yes a lot of people. From mailshots to HR.
  - HaZeust 4y ago
    No doubt! It’s how AI is marketed in all places right now, “talk and ask for things as if it’s a human”. Soon gone are the days where you have to render a raw thought into a mish-mash of Search engine-friendly keywords and synonyms in order to get the most relevant results - you can ask for things from AI as if it’s your receptionist!
  - bentcorner 4y ago
    I agree, I've personally used ChatGPT as a "fill in the blanks" kind of tool for non-technical prose. I provide the skeleton and structure, ChatGPT paints in the lines. It's also extremely easy to proofread and verify it's not spouting nonsense. Would a talented writer do better? Absolutely. But I'm using it for fun and it does a much better job than I can.
121789 4y ago
Why?
verdverm 4y ago
I'm using both Google Search and ChatGPT in parallel. ChatGPT cannot substitute at this point. It is better as a co-writer than as an answering system. It can answer open ended questions, but anything requiring specific information is questionable. And the whole programming thing? It gives wrong results that are not correct and at times don't even compile. Ask it to fix something, it does half the work. It hallucinates functions which do not exist. That being said, if you ask software problems that are not answered with code, it does a better job. People will say they would switch until they try the current iteration. We certainly want something better, a real virtual assistant, but what we have is not there yet

blihp 4y ago

It's a similar reaction that Intel supporters had when it was clear AMD had become a credible threat. There were claims that Intel had 1-2 unreleased CPU architectures just ready to drop at a moments notice to counter anything AMD came out with... we've seen how that played out. Google has been distracted milking their cash cow, just as Intel was, while the competition caught up. The main difference is that Google doesn't seem as far gone (yet) as Intel.

izacus 4y ago
Except that Intel does seem to be back on top again though?
- belval 4y ago
  As someone with money invested in Intel, yes they are back on top of some benchmarks for consumer products and have been doing reasonably well overall. The issue is with the entreprise segment that is getting eaten away by AMD products that are more power efficient and have a higher number of cores due to their early bet of chiplet design (Intel is migrating to chiplet designs this generation). They are also leveraging the TSMC nodes which are overall better/more power-efficient. This is a far cry from how far ahead they were before Zen 1 dropped in 2017. They've been burning a lot of money to keep their heads out of the water.
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quercusa 4y ago
And once again, those who did not learn the lessons from Christensen's The Innovator's Dilemma will add their names to the list of formerly-dominant companies.

jatins 4y ago

> Maybe the (ex-)Googlers in recent AI HackerNews articles are wrong in proclaiming that Google will come on top of the AI wars, due to their immense contributions to its lead-up. This was also the sentiment in tech circles during early cloud wars. That Google, with it's supposedly superior engineering and infra, would win the cloud. That didn't happen -- Google not only did not win that but also lost it's lead on Azure and now stands at #3 And I feel the same will be true for AI wars.