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It’s not, and hasn’t ever really been, just about Ukraine “joining” NATO, because that was never on the cards. It still isn’t, even despite all of this. There’s
by girvo 4y ago
It’s not, and hasn’t ever really been, just about Ukraine “joining” NATO, because that was never on the cards. It still isn’t, even despite all of this. There’s a lot more to it.
Also you’re incorrect in your assessment of most of the Russian elite thinking this war was a good idea, that’s just not true, or you’re making the mistake of taking statements by them at face value, which my Ukrainian/Russian extended family will be the first to tell you to be careful of.
- actionfromafar 4y agoIt also depends on what you mean by elite. The social elite in Moscow or St Petersburg does not run the show. Neither does the military. The security apparatus does.
- duxup 4y agoAnd it doesn’t appear the security forces know exactly what is going on.
- actionfromafar 4y agoYou mean intelligence agencies? Yes, they are powerful, but all of the siloviki have the real power in Russia today.
- dmpk2k 4y ago"Never" is too strong: George W. Bush pushed hard for Georgia and Ukraine to join NATO at the Bucharest Summit in 2008: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/01/nato.georgia https://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/apr/01/nato.georgia