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They are already supposedly possible on Android. So?

h0l0cube 4y ago
Better integration with OS features on iOS devices is still an upshot for people who want websites to do more useful things with their phones, if that becomes a possibility. Might not balance out the cost of having a browser hegemony, and it might not be something that’s specifically useful or interesting to you, but a small mercy nonetheless
- dmitriid 4y ago
  > Better integration with OS features on iOS devices is still an upshot for people who want websites to do more useful things with their phones, if that becomes a possibility. Again. "If", and "might help", and something else. Question is: you have Android with 70% market share and all those capabilities you so crave for. Have all these nice hypotheticals happened there, or not? Edit: things devs think "native-like web apps need" vs what they actually need: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34517503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34517503
  - h0l0cube 4y ago
    I think we need all the things you mention in that comment, and much, if not all, are dependent on the rendering engine internals to implement. e.g., Firefox iOS couldn’t fix it without changes to WebKit
    - dmitriid 4y ago
      Android exists. Has 70% market share. Has all those native capabilities you crave. So. Again and again I ask the same simple question: have all the things you're talking about happened there?
      - h0l0cube 4y ago
        It just might not be worth doing until browser vendors have a consistent renderer across all platforms (true for Firefox and Chrome) and until Apple loses its leverage. It might also be that it requires coordination and cooperation across all browser vendors to a degree that is unlikely. I’m not privy to the internal politics, so I don’t know which is the case
        dmitriid 4y ago
        So the answer is: despite Android having all this, there's literally nothing to show fir this "might, if, maybe" etc. wishful thinking.
        h0l0cube 4y ago
        You seem very animated about some aside I made in my OP comment, that was obviously made as a speculation. Not sure why. We're both speculating FWIW, so there's no real argument to 'win' here, not even a wager I'd consider making.
        dmitriid 4y ago
        Indeed it was speculation. So I asked you basically what your speculation was based on. Because we have a platform where no such speculation is necessary: Android is the dominant mobile platform, it already has all the capabilities you speculate about and so on. So, given that Android exists, and we see literally nothing come out of it as far as web apps are concerned, what are basing your speculations on?

Better integration with OS features on iOS devices is still an upshot for people who want websites to do more useful things with their phones, if that becomes a possibility. Might not balance out the cost of having a browser hegemony, and it might not be something that’s specifically useful or interesting to you, but a small mercy nonetheless

dmitriid 4y ago
> Better integration with OS features on iOS devices is still an upshot for people who want websites to do more useful things with their phones, if that becomes a possibility. Again. "If", and "might help", and something else. Question is: you have Android with 70% market share and all those capabilities you so crave for. Have all these nice hypotheticals happened there, or not? Edit: things devs think "native-like web apps need" vs what they actually need: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34517503 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34517503
- h0l0cube 4y ago
  I think we need all the things you mention in that comment, and much, if not all, are dependent on the rendering engine internals to implement. e.g., Firefox iOS couldn’t fix it without changes to WebKit
  - dmitriid 4y ago
    Android exists. Has 70% market share. Has all those native capabilities you crave. So. Again and again I ask the same simple question: have all the things you're talking about happened there?
    - h0l0cube 4y ago
      It just might not be worth doing until browser vendors have a consistent renderer across all platforms (true for Firefox and Chrome) and until Apple loses its leverage. It might also be that it requires coordination and cooperation across all browser vendors to a degree that is unlikely. I’m not privy to the internal politics, so I don’t know which is the case
      - dmitriid 4y ago
        So the answer is: despite Android having all this, there's literally nothing to show fir this "might, if, maybe" etc. wishful thinking.
        h0l0cube 4y ago
        You seem very animated about some aside I made in my OP comment, that was obviously made as a speculation. Not sure why. We're both speculating FWIW, so there's no real argument to 'win' here, not even a wager I'd consider making.
        dmitriid 4y ago
        Indeed it was speculation. So I asked you basically what your speculation was based on. Because we have a platform where no such speculation is necessary: Android is the dominant mobile platform, it already has all the capabilities you speculate about and so on. So, given that Android exists, and we see literally nothing come out of it as far as web apps are concerned, what are basing your speculations on?