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>Sincere question btw, as far as I know they’re “non-profit” but they get a good bit of hate They sort of aren't a nonprofit anymore. Too much of their money c

>Sincere question btw, as far as I know they’re “non-profit” but they get a good bit of hate They sort of aren't a nonprofit anymore. Too much of their money came from the search deal as opposed to donations so they had to spin off the Mozilla Corporation which is completely owned by the nonprofit Mozilla Foundation. The foundation is what does research like this, and they're funded by donations and a certain percent of the corporations profits. As for "drowning in money," they make ~$500 million a year. Many people think they waste it by doing things like paying their CEO a few million or being located in San Francisco.

krono 4y ago
You must agree this is completely unjustifiable: > In 2018 she received a total of $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla, which represents a 400% payrise since 2008. On the same period, Firefox marketshare was down 85%. > In 2020, after returning to the position of CEO, her salary had risen to over $3 million. In the same year the Mozilla Corporation laid off approximately 250 employees due to shrinking revenues. Baker blamed this on the Coronavirus pandemic. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary-achievements_correlation_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary...
- boomboomsubban 4y ago
  Not particularly. From 2008 to 2018, their revenue grew more than 400%, and much of that was due to executives doing a better job selling the search deal. Then getting more money when you become CEO seems normal.
  - krono 4y ago
    Revenue is about the only thing that might have improved. The meat and potatoes certainly haven't. Edit: was not my intention to make this sound so unfair to the moz employees and contributors - it's all on management
    - boomboomsubban 4y ago
      Revenue's pretty damn important, without the increase Firefox likely would have been dead years ago. The management has hardly been flawless, but I don't know how to compete with opponents that have practically unlimited budgets with no expectation of being independently profitable, first IE then Chrome. Any move that isn't a grand slam will be viewed as a failure.
      - krono 4y ago
        Nicely worded. I suppose it's not as much that I believe she's doing a particularly bad job, but more that she's been moving Mozilla too far into the direction opposite from where I would have liked it to go, and where I believe it belongs. I find her salary increases and their timing both unconscionable and excessive regardless.
        boomboomsubban 4y ago
        If someone asked you "hey we want to promote you to permanent CEO. It'll be more work, you'll be forced to make unpopular decisions that will lead to rampant criticism, and we'll cut your salary" would you accept?
        krono 4y ago
        That's not what happened here at all though. She has been a major controlling and accountable factor throughout both Mozilla entities' existence, except whenever those controversial or risky decisions were going to be executed she has repeatedly ensured there was someone else to take the accountability part - only to take it back later during better times. 2003 Mozilla Foundation was founded - Mozilla Foundation President - Mozilla Foundation Chairperson 2005 Mozilla Corporation was founded - Mozilla Foundation President - Mozilla Foundation Chairperson - Mozilla Corporation CEO - Mozilla Corporation Executive Chairperson 2007 Firefox/Google privacy controversy[0] 2008 She stepped down from several roles - Mozilla Foundation Chairperson - Mozilla Corporation Executive Chairperson 2014 Half the board resigned in protest of newly elected CEO[1] 2019 Settled out of court with Yahoo on the issue of Mozilla's nasty opportunistic rug-pull stunt[1] 2018 Market share had dropped by 85% since 2008 She received a 400% salary rise for her role as Foundation Chair - Mozilla Foundation Chairperson - Mozilla Corporation Executive Chairperson 2020 She stepped back in as Mozilla Corporation CEO - Mozilla Foundation Chairperson - Mozilla Corporation CEO - Mozilla Corporation Executive Chairperson And since then they've become even more dependent on search engine donations than ever before. Quite risky considering Google's current predicament. [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20070121123429/http://www.platinax.co.uk/news/26-10-2006/firefox-2-releases-privacy-storm/ https://web.archive.org/web/20070121123429/http://www.platin... [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20140330185556/http://blogs.wsj.com:80/digits/2014/03/28/three-mozilla-board-members-resign-over-choice-of-new-ceo/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140330185556/http://blogs.wsj.... [2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20221130031213/https://www.computerworld.com/article/3600206/mozilla-reports-338m-revenue-spike-from-settlement-over-yahoo-contract.html https://web.archive.org/web/20221130031213/https://www.compu...

krono 4y ago

You must agree this is completely unjustifiable: > In 2018 she received a total of $2,458,350 in compensation from Mozilla, which represents a 400% payrise since 2008. On the same period, Firefox marketshare was down 85%. > In 2020, after returning to the position of CEO, her salary had risen to over $3 million. In the same year the Mozilla Corporation laid off approximately 250 employees due to shrinking revenues. Baker blamed this on the Coronavirus pandemic. Source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary-achievements_correlation_controversy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Baker#Negative_salary...

boomboomsubban 4y ago
Not particularly. From 2008 to 2018, their revenue grew more than 400%, and much of that was due to executives doing a better job selling the search deal. Then getting more money when you become CEO seems normal.
- krono 4y ago
  Revenue is about the only thing that might have improved. The meat and potatoes certainly haven't. Edit: was not my intention to make this sound so unfair to the moz employees and contributors - it's all on management
  - boomboomsubban 4y ago
    Revenue's pretty damn important, without the increase Firefox likely would have been dead years ago. The management has hardly been flawless, but I don't know how to compete with opponents that have practically unlimited budgets with no expectation of being independently profitable, first IE then Chrome. Any move that isn't a grand slam will be viewed as a failure.
    - krono 4y ago
      Nicely worded. I suppose it's not as much that I believe she's doing a particularly bad job, but more that she's been moving Mozilla too far into the direction opposite from where I would have liked it to go, and where I believe it belongs. I find her salary increases and their timing both unconscionable and excessive regardless.
      - boomboomsubban 4y ago
        If someone asked you "hey we want to promote you to permanent CEO. It'll be more work, you'll be forced to make unpopular decisions that will lead to rampant criticism, and we'll cut your salary" would you accept?
        krono 4y ago
        That's not what happened here at all though. She has been a major controlling and accountable factor throughout both Mozilla entities' existence, except whenever those controversial or risky decisions were going to be executed she has repeatedly ensured there was someone else to take the accountability part - only to take it back later during better times. 2003 Mozilla Foundation was founded - Mozilla Foundation President - Mozilla Foundation Chairperson 2005 Mozilla Corporation was founded - Mozilla Foundation President - Mozilla Foundation Chairperson - Mozilla Corporation CEO - Mozilla Corporation Executive Chairperson 2007 Firefox/Google privacy controversy[0] 2008 She stepped down from several roles - Mozilla Foundation Chairperson - Mozilla Corporation Executive Chairperson 2014 Half the board resigned in protest of newly elected CEO[1] 2019 Settled out of court with Yahoo on the issue of Mozilla's nasty opportunistic rug-pull stunt[1] 2018 Market share had dropped by 85% since 2008 She received a 400% salary rise for her role as Foundation Chair - Mozilla Foundation Chairperson - Mozilla Corporation Executive Chairperson 2020 She stepped back in as Mozilla Corporation CEO - Mozilla Foundation Chairperson - Mozilla Corporation CEO - Mozilla Corporation Executive Chairperson And since then they've become even more dependent on search engine donations than ever before. Quite risky considering Google's current predicament. [0]: https://web.archive.org/web/20070121123429/http://www.platinax.co.uk/news/26-10-2006/firefox-2-releases-privacy-storm/ https://web.archive.org/web/20070121123429/http://www.platin... [1]: https://web.archive.org/web/20140330185556/http://blogs.wsj.com:80/digits/2014/03/28/three-mozilla-board-members-resign-over-choice-of-new-ceo/ https://web.archive.org/web/20140330185556/http://blogs.wsj.... [2]: https://web.archive.org/web/20221130031213/https://www.computerworld.com/article/3600206/mozilla-reports-338m-revenue-spike-from-settlement-over-yahoo-contract.html https://web.archive.org/web/20221130031213/https://www.compu...