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> The occurrence was not reported to the authorities and only came to light later. This is shocking, heads in the sand.
by mnd999 4y ago
> The occurrence was not reported to the authorities and only came to light later.
This is shocking, heads in the sand.
- Zetobal 4y agoIf they don't report it they don't have to pull the cockpit recorder lever and after 1 1/2 hours there is no trace of their fumble except their own reports...
- mjevans 4y agoI understand the reasoning for the 'black box' to have limited storage. I do not understand the reasoning that supports lack of a trace log to retain in the face of turbulence and other possible lawsuit generating events such as this.
- rich_sasha 4y agoMy understanding is, various aircraft/airlines have logging facilities with longer memories, just it's up to the airline to look through them. Normally if you're looking at a black box, you know something suboptimal already occured.
- dogma1138 4y agoCommercial have digital twins these days, RR’s entire business model relies on having always on real time telemetry from all of its engines because it doesn’t sell engines anymore it leases flight hours so they have a digital twin for each RR engine in service and they predict when parts and servicing needs to happen and make sure that an alternative engine(s), parts and service crew will be available just in time.
- jquery 4y agoWhy not pair the limited storage with something more long lasting? The long-lasting could be a heavy-duty ssd that holds 8tb or something. That is weeks worth of audio and data. If that's lost in a crash or incident, so be it, it was probably severe incident and the 1.5 hour backup is all that's needed anyway.
- mjevans 4y agoExactly what I was suggesting. A non-disaster storage media that doesn't need the rigor of the expensive and limited solution already present for disaster diagnosis.
- Zetobal 4y agoThe Blackbox records over the whole flight. I am only talking about the cockpit voice recorder. It's the best indicator to see how something went down in the cockpit after an incident were the flight crew lost situational awareness.
- raverbashing 4y agoBlackbox is only for accident cases For the day to day there is a recording system called FOQA which can (and does) get analyzed, and stores more or less the same thing as the blackbox Of course trying to be sneaky doesn't help when ATC noticed what happened
- diebeforei485 4y agoThis is a minor incident. I don't think they would have been asked to return to the gate over this.
- Zetobal 4y agoYeah, but they would have to break the circuit if they report an incident.
- rob74 4y ago> ...recovered about 800 feet above water the way I read it, there were only 800 ft (less than 250 m, or around 15 seconds at a sink rate of 3000 fpm) standing between a "minor incident" and a major disaster.
- hef19898 4y ago"As any real racer would tell you, whether you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning".
- kkfdkerpoe 4y agoAlmost crashing your airplane is always a major incident in commercial aviation.
- hugh-avherald 4y agoUh the telemetry is pretty unusual. That gets broadcast. And the airline's HQ would see this in real-time.
- Zetobal 4y agoYeah, but if they don't report and no one from their company "sees" it they don't have to pull the circuit...
- ArnoVW 4y agoNo trace, except for the cabin crew and the logs kept by ATC.
- Zetobal 4y agoIn situations like these you get the most information from the voice recorder. You can't abstract a lot about what really happened in the cockpit from telemetry and the cabin crew is not in the cockpit.
- solalf 4y ago> heads in the sand. Quite literally?
- hackernewds 4y agoThat's an unnecessary stereotype
- dsfyu404ed 4y agoWould you be saying that if it was some quip about Canada being cold? We're talking about a carrier based in a desert nation and a flight that departed said desert nation. It's a joke about the local environmental conditions resulting in the phrase "head in the sand" being potentially ambiguous between the literal meaning and the figurative meaning.
- solalf 4y agoHow is this a stereotype? I live in the Middle-east (the region of the world where Doha is located), trust me, it’s full of sand. You don’t need to feel insulted for me.
- colechristensen 4y agoShocking, and why it happened in the first place. Not reporting and investigations a near miss automatically is a strong signal of bad systematic safety problems.
- meindnoch 4y agoIt's cultural.
- dustedcodes 4y agowhich in itself isn't shocking
- ekianjo 4y agoAnd this is against all regulations and guidelines for about every company.