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Seems a bit dishonest to ask people to contribute without explaining what the files are actually used for anywhere in the site, just "they could be used by Jage

Seems a bit dishonest to ask people to contribute without explaining what the files are actually used for anywhere in the site, just "they could be used by Jagex". C'mon, I'm not against piracy, but I don't think it's cool trying to manipulate people like this.

DEFEC8ED 4y ago
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Are you insinuating that people are being manipulated into unwittingly pirating software? The files alluded to are obfuscated Java byte code, so it's not piracy. It's useful for reverse engineering historical versions of the game for which no source or artifacts are known to exist. Perhaps you'd consider that unethical but I'd say it's ethically ambiguous at worst.
- dandellion 4y ago
  > Are you insinuating that people are being manipulated into unwittingly pirating software? Maybe not, but it could be. They don't give any information so there's no way to know what they're doing, so you can assume good intention, or bad, or neither, whichever you prefer. To me personally it stood out how they put up a very nice landing page, with very verbose text, and never once mention any examples of what they're doing with it.
cookmeplox 4y ago
The FAQ https://rs-archive.github.io/faq.html https://rs-archive.github.io/faq.html is pretty clear about what they're used for: > They contain all the various raw assets used in the game (e.g. maps, models, sounds) and the definitions of content like NPCs, Items, and scenery objects.
- dandellion 4y ago
  That's what they contain, it says nothing about what they're using it for.
  - bdhcuidbebe 4y ago
    For archival purposes, as the name implies. I don’t understand why you try to stir something up.
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bspammer 4y ago
Piracy? No one wants to play random early versions of Runescape. It's purely about preservation. An example use case here, an interactive world map with a slider that lets you see how it was updated through the years: https://mejrs.github.io/historical https://mejrs.github.io/historical
- dandellion 4y ago
  I've done a quick search through that repo and its dependencies, and I see no mention of the project above. How do you that they're using the files from there?
  - bspammer 4y ago
    The project is run by the runescape wiki [1]. I got the above link from a reddit comment [2], the author of which is a poweruser on the wiki [3] There's nothing nefarious going on here, I promise you. It's just a community project that has the usual poor documentation. [1] https://runescape.wiki/w/User:Manpaint55/T:CHD-main https://runescape.wiki/w/User:Manpaint55/T:CHD-main [2] https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/100m73e/how_the_runescape_world_map_looked_in_2004/j2ihbch/ https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/100m73e/how_the_... [3] https://runescape.wiki/w/User:Hlwys https://runescape.wiki/w/User:Hlwys

DEFEC8ED 4y ago

I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Are you insinuating that people are being manipulated into unwittingly pirating software? The files alluded to are obfuscated Java byte code, so it's not piracy. It's useful for reverse engineering historical versions of the game for which no source or artifacts are known to exist. Perhaps you'd consider that unethical but I'd say it's ethically ambiguous at worst.

dandellion 4y ago
> Are you insinuating that people are being manipulated into unwittingly pirating software? Maybe not, but it could be. They don't give any information so there's no way to know what they're doing, so you can assume good intention, or bad, or neither, whichever you prefer. To me personally it stood out how they put up a very nice landing page, with very verbose text, and never once mention any examples of what they're doing with it.

cookmeplox 4y ago

The FAQ https://rs-archive.github.io/faq.html https://rs-archive.github.io/faq.html is pretty clear about what they're used for: > They contain all the various raw assets used in the game (e.g. maps, models, sounds) and the definitions of content like NPCs, Items, and scenery objects.

dandellion 4y ago
That's what they contain, it says nothing about what they're using it for.
- bdhcuidbebe 4y ago
  For archival purposes, as the name implies. I don’t understand why you try to stir something up.

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bspammer 4y ago

Piracy? No one wants to play random early versions of Runescape. It's purely about preservation. An example use case here, an interactive world map with a slider that lets you see how it was updated through the years: https://mejrs.github.io/historical https://mejrs.github.io/historical

dandellion 4y ago
I've done a quick search through that repo and its dependencies, and I see no mention of the project above. How do you that they're using the files from there?
- bspammer 4y ago
  The project is run by the runescape wiki [1]. I got the above link from a reddit comment [2], the author of which is a poweruser on the wiki [3] There's nothing nefarious going on here, I promise you. It's just a community project that has the usual poor documentation. [1] https://runescape.wiki/w/User:Manpaint55/T:CHD-main https://runescape.wiki/w/User:Manpaint55/T:CHD-main [2] https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/100m73e/how_the_runescape_world_map_looked_in_2004/j2ihbch/ https://old.reddit.com/r/2007scape/comments/100m73e/how_the_... [3] https://runescape.wiki/w/User:Hlwys https://runescape.wiki/w/User:Hlwys