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You left the important part out: "a United States U-2 spy plane was shot down by the Soviet Air Defence Forces" I have zero idea why people are defending Ch

You left the important part out: "a United States U-2 spy plane was *shot down* by the Soviet Air Defence Forces" I have zero idea why people are defending China, while the USA gets their aircraft shot down. Each country has sovereignty over their own airspace. And China is all weird about not wanting ships in the South China Sea despite it being ruled international waters. Why are you giving China a pass and holding the USA to different rules?

calyth2018 4y ago
Outside of the handful that was shot down, including the ones that were operated by the ROC in the late 70s, all the major power that has the means of doing this, to probe defenses, be it coastal, or inland AA, or whatever, have done this. Who says I'm giving China a pass? My point is that it's a balloon that was tracked from Alaska long before it crossed BC into Montana probably had its risk assessment done. It wasn't worth the hassle, and the potential risk of letting them get the telemetry on military hardware, and the cost to shoot one of those balloons; or to reveal the true operating envelope of a fighter and its armaments over a balloon that the US already was comfortable with it flying around from Alaska on. If it was a serious threat to US national security, it would have been blown up over Alaska, or better yet, tell the Canadians to do it so that the risk isn't borne over American soil.
- FrontierPsych 4y ago
  What you say may or may not be true, but it is beside the point. The point is that the USA, or any country, has the right to deny it's airspace to anyone. There is no rule that just because we let it fly through Montana that means the USA has to let it fly anywhere. There are all kinds of instances of the USA being denied use of another country's airspace. I'm not quite sure on the exact situation as it was a while ago, but I think during Gulf War I, or maybe II, Turkey would not let the USA take off from Incerirlick Air Base to bomb Iraq. Ah, here it is,they closed their airspace for a while in Gulf War II - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/20/iraq.helenasmith https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/20/iraq.helenasmi... It seems like you are giving China a pass to me. >If it was a serious threat to US national security, it would have been blown up over Alaska Nope. USA has the right to do it anywhere. We don't know the strategy. Maybe there was some global strategic reason or tactical reason, or who knows? Neither of us is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or are the Secretary of Defense. What do we know? All I know is that the USA can shoot down any aircraft, at any time, for any reason, if it doesn't file a flight plan and let the USA know the purpose. That I know. But you saying "If it was a serious threat to US national security..." is silly. You are not the Secretary of Defense. How would you know? Or anyone know, unless privy to that information? That's how it works.
- FrontierPsych 4y ago
  I am responding again today, one day after I left my other post under this response that I made to you. Today, the House voted UNANIMOUSLY, 419-0, to condemn China's balloon surveillance program as a “brazen violation” of U.S. sovereignty, a rare and swift bipartisan rebuke of Beijing as questions mount about the craft the U.S. says was part of a vast aerial spy program. “This resolution, I believe, sends a clear bipartisan signal to the CCP and our adversaries around the world that this action will not be tolerated,” said Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, referring to the Chinese Communist Party. Are every single one of the House, D and R, wrong and you are right? I'm pretty sure the Senate would vote the same way. "In a Congress riven by partisan splits, the shared anxiety over China's stealthy balloon surveillance program and the reach of the Beijing's global military and economic force provided an unusual opening for bipartisan agreement in the debate." I am extremely interested in your response.

You left the important part out: "a United States U-2 spy plane was *shot down* by the Soviet Air Defence Forces" I have zero idea why people are defending Ch

calyth2018 4y ago

Outside of the handful that was shot down, including the ones that were operated by the ROC in the late 70s, all the major power that has the means of doing this, to probe defenses, be it coastal, or inland AA, or whatever, have done this. Who says I'm giving China a pass? My point is that it's a balloon that was tracked from Alaska long before it crossed BC into Montana probably had its risk assessment done. It wasn't worth the hassle, and the potential risk of letting them get the telemetry on military hardware, and the cost to shoot one of those balloons; or to reveal the true operating envelope of a fighter and its armaments over a balloon that the US already was comfortable with it flying around from Alaska on. If it was a serious threat to US national security, it would have been blown up over Alaska, or better yet, tell the Canadians to do it so that the risk isn't borne over American soil.

FrontierPsych 4y ago
What you say may or may not be true, but it is beside the point. The point is that the USA, or any country, has the right to deny it's airspace to anyone. There is no rule that just because we let it fly through Montana that means the USA has to let it fly anywhere. There are all kinds of instances of the USA being denied use of another country's airspace. I'm not quite sure on the exact situation as it was a while ago, but I think during Gulf War I, or maybe II, Turkey would not let the USA take off from Incerirlick Air Base to bomb Iraq. Ah, here it is,they closed their airspace for a while in Gulf War II - https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/20/iraq.helenasmith https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/mar/20/iraq.helenasmi... It seems like you are giving China a pass to me. >If it was a serious threat to US national security, it would have been blown up over Alaska Nope. USA has the right to do it anywhere. We don't know the strategy. Maybe there was some global strategic reason or tactical reason, or who knows? Neither of us is the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, or are the Secretary of Defense. What do we know? All I know is that the USA can shoot down any aircraft, at any time, for any reason, if it doesn't file a flight plan and let the USA know the purpose. That I know. But you saying "If it was a serious threat to US national security..." is silly. You are not the Secretary of Defense. How would you know? Or anyone know, unless privy to that information? That's how it works.
FrontierPsych 4y ago
I am responding again today, one day after I left my other post under this response that I made to you. Today, the House voted UNANIMOUSLY, 419-0, to condemn China's balloon surveillance program as a “brazen violation” of U.S. sovereignty, a rare and swift bipartisan rebuke of Beijing as questions mount about the craft the U.S. says was part of a vast aerial spy program. “This resolution, I believe, sends a clear bipartisan signal to the CCP and our adversaries around the world that this action will not be tolerated,” said Rep. Michael McCaul, R-Texas, chairman of the Foreign Affairs Committee, referring to the Chinese Communist Party. Are every single one of the House, D and R, wrong and you are right? I'm pretty sure the Senate would vote the same way. "In a Congress riven by partisan splits, the shared anxiety over China's stealthy balloon surveillance program and the reach of the Beijing's global military and economic force provided an unusual opening for bipartisan agreement in the debate." I am extremely interested in your response.