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Could you just, stop styling shit and let your application look like the rest of the damned computer does? FFS, in 1995 styling was something the user did to a

Could you just, stop styling shit and let your application look like the rest of the damned computer does? FFS, in 1995 styling was something the user did to applications, now it is a way for developers to mangle the fucking GUI so they can look 'unique' and 'on brand'. Fuck this entire goddamned industry.

tabtab 4y ago
> Could you just, stop styling shit That's part of the problem, eye-candy sells, but carries a complexity tax with it. Oracle Forms was butt-ugly, but got the every-day CRUD/GUI job done good-enough and was quick to develop with. Oracle Forms dev's ran circles around our web devs in terms of productivity. I looked into why, and Oracle Forms just required less code and less keystrokes to make apps and apps changes. (Oracle ruined OF when they rewrote the GUI client/browser into Java from C. Otherwise, OF would still be common. I don't like Oracle the company, but OF was magical productivity.) KISS style = KISS stack.
dheera 4y ago
> rest of the damned computer does? The rest of the computer looks like shit. The Gnome 43 file browser, for example, is an abomination of microscopic buttons. Try hunting down the "new folder" button, it's hidden under a "..." menu that isn't the hamburger menu and isn't another dropdown menu. Macs and Windows aren't much better. I haven't used Word in ages, had to use it for something yesterday at work, and when I hit "Save As" it did seemingly nothing, after some fumbling I realized clicking "Save As" added a very unrecognizable "Save As" icon to the fucking titlebar. I have no idea whose horrible idea it was to put some buttons in the title bar and some buttons in the toolbar instead of all the buttons in one place.
- bombolo 4y ago
  > The rest of the computer looks like shit. Except when I change theme, it all looks nice except your shitty electron app.
wvenable 4y ago
> Could you just, stop styling shit and let your application look like the rest of the damned computer does? Nope. I'm not making a word processor. I was trying to match the application look and feel to the product and to other applications for that product. It might suck to you but having a graphical application look like Notepad is not what anyone wants.
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- AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
  Citation needed. Looking like notepad is not what you or whatever high-on-their-own-farts developers want. Looking consistent with all the other software on my computer is what I, and many others, want. Sadly there are too many people like you in our industry so it will continue to suck.
  - wvenable 4y ago
    What does it even mean to look like all the other software on a computer? None of my software looks anything like any of the other software. A white background application with a menu bar and some dialogs would look more out of place. None of that even applies to software used to remote control a robot and mostly used by children who's primary other computer is a mobile phone or tablet.
    - jen20 4y ago
      > None of my software looks anything like any of the other software. Largely because of people with opinions like yours. It’s not that long ago that this was not the case. Children are not idiots and they do not need things dumbing down for them.
      - dheera 4y ago
        > Children are not idiots and they do not need things dumbing down for them. No but if the next door app is shinier and more colorful they will go for it over your grey buttons, and you will lose business.

tabtab 4y ago

> Could you just, stop styling shit That's part of the problem, eye-candy sells, but carries a complexity tax with it. Oracle Forms was butt-ugly, but got the every-day CRUD/GUI job done good-enough and was quick to develop with. Oracle Forms dev's ran circles around our web devs in terms of productivity. I looked into why, and Oracle Forms just required less code and less keystrokes to make apps and apps changes. (Oracle ruined OF when they rewrote the GUI client/browser into Java from C. Otherwise, OF would still be common. I don't like Oracle the company, but OF was magical productivity.) KISS style = KISS stack.

dheera 4y ago

> rest of the damned computer does? The rest of the computer looks like shit. The Gnome 43 file browser, for example, is an abomination of microscopic buttons. Try hunting down the "new folder" button, it's hidden under a "..." menu that isn't the hamburger menu and isn't another dropdown menu. Macs and Windows aren't much better. I haven't used Word in ages, had to use it for something yesterday at work, and when I hit "Save As" it did seemingly nothing, after some fumbling I realized clicking "Save As" added a very unrecognizable "Save As" icon to the fucking titlebar. I have no idea whose horrible idea it was to put some buttons in the title bar and some buttons in the toolbar instead of all the buttons in one place.

bombolo 4y ago
> The rest of the computer looks like shit. Except when I change theme, it all looks nice except your shitty electron app.

wvenable 4y ago

> Could you just, stop styling shit and let your application look like the rest of the damned computer does? Nope. I'm not making a word processor. I was trying to match the application look and feel to the product and to other applications for that product. It might suck to you but having a graphical application look like Notepad is not what anyone wants.

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AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
Citation needed. Looking like notepad is not what you or whatever high-on-their-own-farts developers want. Looking consistent with all the other software on my computer is what I, and many others, want. Sadly there are too many people like you in our industry so it will continue to suck.
- wvenable 4y ago
  What does it even mean to look like all the other software on a computer? None of my software looks anything like any of the other software. A white background application with a menu bar and some dialogs would look more out of place. None of that even applies to software used to remote control a robot and mostly used by children who's primary other computer is a mobile phone or tablet.
  - jen20 4y ago
    > None of my software looks anything like any of the other software. Largely because of people with opinions like yours. It’s not that long ago that this was not the case. Children are not idiots and they do not need things dumbing down for them.
    - dheera 4y ago
      > Children are not idiots and they do not need things dumbing down for them. No but if the next door app is shinier and more colorful they will go for it over your grey buttons, and you will lose business.