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>"You were used" is a bit much. You go to work to earn a paycheck. I'm not sure how many people bought into the whole "we're a family" stuff, but obviously thes

>"You were used" is a bit much. You go to work to earn a paycheck. I'm not sure how many people bought into the whole "we're a family" stuff, but obviously these are for-profit corporations and they are beholden only to their shareholders. There was never the illusion otherwise, unless you truly believed that now that you're in, you're in. There is a lot of corporate ink spilled trying to convince people of exactly this. The counter to this kind of treatment is a strong union. Hopefully this goes a ways toward convincing people they need that level of protection.

gitfan86 4y ago
If people are always "protected" how do you deal with low performing companies? If Zoom becomes unusable because it is crashing all the time and everyone switches to another service where do you think the money is going to come from to pay these "protected" employees? Fire the CEO, sure, but where is the money coming from for the thousands of other employees?
- andrekandre 4y ago
  > If people are always "protected" how do you deal with low performing companies? mentor them? help them find a better position? change managers? lots of things you can do before firing... also i think the word "protection" the previous commenter means is 'protection from random/mass firings/layoffs without cause' not firing for being lazy/sabotage etc
  - superfrank 4y ago
    > mentor them? help them find a better position? change managers? None of those help if you just need less people on payroll.
  - gitfan86 4y ago
    Mentor a company?
    - andrekandre 4y ago
      i have to admit, i completely read that as "employee".... though i wonder if the op also meant that...?
- MarkMarine 4y ago
  Even in areas with good strong unions, there isn’t some kind of company wide protection. If the company doesn’t fit in the market, it goes away. I’m not weaving some fantasy tale, these systems exist in other countries that still have free markets and profitable companies.

gitfan86 4y ago

If people are always "protected" how do you deal with low performing companies? If Zoom becomes unusable because it is crashing all the time and everyone switches to another service where do you think the money is going to come from to pay these "protected" employees? Fire the CEO, sure, but where is the money coming from for the thousands of other employees?

andrekandre 4y ago
> If people are always "protected" how do you deal with low performing companies? mentor them? help them find a better position? change managers? lots of things you can do before firing... also i think the word "protection" the previous commenter means is 'protection from random/mass firings/layoffs without cause' not firing for being lazy/sabotage etc
- superfrank 4y ago
  > mentor them? help them find a better position? change managers? None of those help if you just need less people on payroll.
- gitfan86 4y ago
  Mentor a company?
  - andrekandre 4y ago
    i have to admit, i completely read that as "employee".... though i wonder if the op also meant that...?
MarkMarine 4y ago
Even in areas with good strong unions, there isn’t some kind of company wide protection. If the company doesn’t fit in the market, it goes away. I’m not weaving some fantasy tale, these systems exist in other countries that still have free markets and profitable companies.