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This is where the rubber meets the road. Show me a native application ecosystem that can go from some blue underline text to fully functional interactive tool w

This is where the rubber meets the road. Show me a native application ecosystem that can go from some blue underline text to fully functional interactive tool with one click and 1s with no prior contact and minimal risk of cross contamination and I'll show you an ecosystem that can win over web technologies. This is the bar that users have chosen. Accept and embrace it or be doomed to be overshadowed by something that meets the bar better.

selfmodruntime 4y ago
You missed more: web developers are plentiful and your one app runs on every system imaginable. Some web haters counter with the idea that if we had a common runtime / sandbox, native could target any OS as well. They miss that the browser is literally just that.
- Turing_Machine 4y ago
  > Some web haters counter with the idea that if we had a common runtime / sandbox I remember when that was called "Java". :-) It didn't work out on the desktop.
  - euroderf 4y ago
    Swing was sposta be the Great Desktop Hope. It turned out to be pretty clunky though IIRC. AWT too.
  - 411111111111111 4y ago
    The difference is that Java promised to be that, but wasnt in practice. The browser ultimately delivered on the promise
    - tabtab 4y ago
      It probably could have been fixed, but HTML browsers kept a step ahead in progress. Java applets lost the improvement pace race, but the applet concept has merit because it was designed for GUI's, unlike HTML. If applets had better up-front security, better version management and auto-updates (like current browsers do), and better download-modularity such that one didn't have to download the entire app to open one screen, for example. Oracle buying it didn't help, as they have a reputation for suing everything that moves.
- dragonwriter 4y ago
  > Some web haters counter with the idea that if we had a common runtime / sandbox, native could target any OS as well. But if you had a common VM, runtime library, and sandbox that was feature-competitive with browsers, you’d basically just have reinvented the browser platform, but without the ecosystem of existing code and developers.
ilyt 4y ago
At least with WASM we have some slim hope for those tools to run on non-retarded stack

selfmodruntime 4y ago

You missed more: web developers are plentiful and your one app runs on every system imaginable. Some web haters counter with the idea that if we had a common runtime / sandbox, native could target any OS as well. They miss that the browser is literally just that.

Turing_Machine 4y ago
> Some web haters counter with the idea that if we had a common runtime / sandbox I remember when that was called "Java". :-) It didn't work out on the desktop.
- euroderf 4y ago
  Swing was sposta be the Great Desktop Hope. It turned out to be pretty clunky though IIRC. AWT too.
- 411111111111111 4y ago
  The difference is that Java promised to be that, but wasnt in practice. The browser ultimately delivered on the promise
  - tabtab 4y ago
    It probably could have been fixed, but HTML browsers kept a step ahead in progress. Java applets lost the improvement pace race, but the applet concept has merit because it was designed for GUI's, unlike HTML. If applets had better up-front security, better version management and auto-updates (like current browsers do), and better download-modularity such that one didn't have to download the entire app to open one screen, for example. Oracle buying it didn't help, as they have a reputation for suing everything that moves.
dragonwriter 4y ago
> Some web haters counter with the idea that if we had a common runtime / sandbox, native could target any OS as well. But if you had a common VM, runtime library, and sandbox that was feature-competitive with browsers, you’d basically just have reinvented the browser platform, but without the ecosystem of existing code and developers.

ilyt 4y ago

At least with WASM we have some slim hope for those tools to run on non-retarded stack