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Well, they better start figuring out how to let writers opt out of this horseshit because I am not about to live my life and write content knowing that some AI

Well, they better start figuring out how to let writers opt out of this horseshit because I am not about to live my life and write content knowing that some AI model will hoover it up and fuck me out of my livelihood.

coldpie 4y ago
> they better start figuring out how to let writers opt out of this horseshit I don't say this happily, but I think you can go ahead and make plans assuming that isn't going to happen.
- skilled 4y ago
  It will though. Nothing in this world is free, least of all greed and ignorance.
  - joxel 4y ago
    Hopefully you have other skills because the wagon wheel makers can whine all they want but the automobile is coming
    - coldpie 4y ago
      While I disagree with your analogy -- auto makers didn't build their business by stealing the work of wheelwrights -- I agree with the conclusion that the auto is coming.
brookst 4y ago
Did you hoover up anything from books you've read?
- skilled 4y ago
  And your point is what exactly?
  - brookst 4y ago
    That most people who are very concerned about AI learning from their work have themselves learned from other peoples’ work. Culture is accretive. We all contribute, none of us create net new from scratch.
    - gigel82 4y ago
      I can kind of see that, but he's just one person and he bought the books he learned from. I presume OpenAI doesn't pay a fraction of the book's cost up to the writer every time it spits out content based on the book (it -at most- paid for the book once and ingested all its content to be used forever).
      - brookst 4y ago
        I don't think OpenAI is trained on any copyrighted, for-sale books. GPT-3 at least uses books1 and books2. Books1 seems to be Bookcorpus[0], Books2 seems to be Libgen[1]. There is some unclarity about the purity of licensing in Bookcorpus affecting 200-400 of the 11,000 books[2] 0. https://paperswithcode.com/dataset/bookcorpus https://paperswithcode.com/dataset/bookcorpus 1. https://librarygenesis.pro/ https://librarygenesis.pro/ 2. https://towardsdatascience.com/dirty-secrets-of-bookcorpus-a-key-dataset-in-machine-learning-6ee2927e8650 https://towardsdatascience.com/dirty-secrets-of-bookcorpus-a... Are you suggesting that free / public domain material shouldn't be used for training, or were you not familiar with the training set?

coldpie 4y ago

> they better start figuring out how to let writers opt out of this horseshit I don't say this happily, but I think you can go ahead and make plans assuming that isn't going to happen.

skilled 4y ago
It will though. Nothing in this world is free, least of all greed and ignorance.
- joxel 4y ago
  Hopefully you have other skills because the wagon wheel makers can whine all they want but the automobile is coming
  - coldpie 4y ago
    While I disagree with your analogy -- auto makers didn't build their business by stealing the work of wheelwrights -- I agree with the conclusion that the auto is coming.

brookst 4y ago

Did you hoover up anything from books you've read?

skilled 4y ago
And your point is what exactly?
- brookst 4y ago
  That most people who are very concerned about AI learning from their work have themselves learned from other peoples’ work. Culture is accretive. We all contribute, none of us create net new from scratch.
  - gigel82 4y ago
    I can kind of see that, but he's just one person and he bought the books he learned from. I presume OpenAI doesn't pay a fraction of the book's cost up to the writer every time it spits out content based on the book (it -at most- paid for the book once and ingested all its content to be used forever).
    - brookst 4y ago
      I don't think OpenAI is trained on any copyrighted, for-sale books. GPT-3 at least uses books1 and books2. Books1 seems to be Bookcorpus[0], Books2 seems to be Libgen[1]. There is some unclarity about the purity of licensing in Bookcorpus affecting 200-400 of the 11,000 books[2] 0. https://paperswithcode.com/dataset/bookcorpus https://paperswithcode.com/dataset/bookcorpus 1. https://librarygenesis.pro/ https://librarygenesis.pro/ 2. https://towardsdatascience.com/dirty-secrets-of-bookcorpus-a-key-dataset-in-machine-learning-6ee2927e8650 https://towardsdatascience.com/dirty-secrets-of-bookcorpus-a... Are you suggesting that free / public domain material shouldn't be used for training, or were you not familiar with the training set?