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definetly cloudflare is very harmful for the internet. It blocks crawlers. and impose captchas on every website.

rektide 4y ago
The concerns listed in the article all seem repevant to companies hosting things. Im so so on cloudflare decrypting traffic for example, which they easily can do. Your arguments are somewhat crudely stated, but the impacts on users are what concern me. The Internet Is For Users. And this policy of blocking & obstructing users along the way is 100% my worst concern about CloudFlare. It's gross to the max. I really like their serverless workers & storage offerings, a lot. They do so much right & have great easy use tech at many levels. But the catchpas also sometimes feel like a spreading dark spot on the internet, where society goes dark. It's the worst.
- ilyt 4y ago
  It's hilarious as some time ago they vomited this blogpost https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cryptographic-attestation-of-personhood/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cryptographic-attest... > "Humanity wastes about 500 years per day on CAPTCHAs. It’s time to end this madness" Yeah no shit Cloudflare, YOU'RE THE REASON FOR IT. And the solution is "use hardware keys and track everyone"
  - gjsman-1000 4y ago
    > Yeah no shit Cloudflare, YOU'RE THE REASON FOR IT. Cloudflare is not the reason for it - ridiculous amounts of bot traffic is. Bot traffic that is either malicious, resource consuming, or actively trying to bring your website down. CAPTCHAs are just the best tool we have to block them, and I don't believe it is completely fair to have website operators just put up with it for the sake of the users - it's a team effort. Let's solve the internet's actual problems so that we don't need things like Cloudflare to patch symptoms instead of causes.
    - ranger_danger 4y ago
      You assume people haven't tried. Obviously this is all anyone has come up with so far.
    - Incipient 4y ago
      That's a similar argument to "we don't need police, everyone should just behave". It's always a worthwhile cause to teach our kids to be better humans, kind and forgiving...but the reality is people are...not great. We're always going to need cops. Someone will always ddos, we're going to need Cloudflare/anti-ddos.

The concerns listed in the article all seem repevant to companies hosting things. Im so so on cloudflare decrypting traffic for example, which they easily can do. Your arguments are somewhat crudely stated, but the impacts on users are what concern me. The Internet Is For Users. And this policy of blocking & obstructing users along the way is 100% my worst concern about CloudFlare. It's gross to the max. I really like their serverless workers & storage offerings, a lot. They do so much right & have great easy use tech at many levels. But the catchpas also sometimes feel like a spreading dark spot on the internet, where society goes dark. It's the worst.

ilyt 4y ago
It's hilarious as some time ago they vomited this blogpost https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cryptographic-attestation-of-personhood/ https://blog.cloudflare.com/introducing-cryptographic-attest... > "Humanity wastes about 500 years per day on CAPTCHAs. It’s time to end this madness" Yeah no shit Cloudflare, YOU'RE THE REASON FOR IT. And the solution is "use hardware keys and track everyone"
- gjsman-1000 4y ago
  > Yeah no shit Cloudflare, YOU'RE THE REASON FOR IT. Cloudflare is not the reason for it - ridiculous amounts of bot traffic is. Bot traffic that is either malicious, resource consuming, or actively trying to bring your website down. CAPTCHAs are just the best tool we have to block them, and I don't believe it is completely fair to have website operators just put up with it for the sake of the users - it's a team effort. Let's solve the internet's actual problems so that we don't need things like Cloudflare to patch symptoms instead of causes.
  - ranger_danger 4y ago
    You assume people haven't tried. Obviously this is all anyone has come up with so far.
  - Incipient 4y ago
    That's a similar argument to "we don't need police, everyone should just behave". It's always a worthwhile cause to teach our kids to be better humans, kind and forgiving...but the reality is people are...not great. We're always going to need cops. Someone will always ddos, we're going to need Cloudflare/anti-ddos.