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Indeed a terrible font choice, while the writing could also do with a second pass. A comment on Wayland stood out, namely that it's > barley supported I'm st

Indeed a terrible font choice, while the writing could also do with a second pass. A comment on Wayland stood out, namely that it's > barley supported I'm still unclear whether that's a typo, or a snide remark :) On TFA's TL;DR on the "why", though, I'd mostly agree: we have HTML/CSS/JS as desktop UI, because having a single to track is better than having to support at least three (Win, Mac, X11) GUI frameworks. It's the least bad option, even if that means that the underlying OS just becomes a facilitator for Electron. What depresses me is that Electron is essentially the new Emacs, and JS the new Lisp.

rbanffy 4y ago
Oh I remember how support for Unix and Motif was - every Unix just had to be different from all others. Looking at you, HP-UX, AIX...
MayeulC 4y ago
That Wayland remark is very weird.It probably comes from an echo chamber or someone who hasn't actually tried it/done some proper research. Or maybe they only use a DE that barely supports it? (which? XFCE?)
- superkuh 4y ago
  I get the feeling that we're all just touching different ends of the elephant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant). If you want to use applications that involve keyboard/mouse sharing, for example, the wayland stuff is very beta/experimental if it's there at all. It's not just DEs.
  - MayeulC 4y ago
    Thanks for the metaphor, I had forgotten about it. I'm of course biased myself, having started to use sway as my main "DE" in 2018. Sway is quite mature nowadays, though it still has a few bugs. > keyboard/mouse sharing I'm curious by what you mean with this? Adding a second set of mouse/keyboards with their independent focus is for me simply a matter of running a few commands: swaymsg -t get_inputs # lists input, allows you to identify which inputs you want to add to another seat swaymsg seat my-new-seat attach my:second:mouse:identifier swaymsg seat my-new-seat attach my:second:keyboard:identifier swaymsg seat my-new-seat xcursor_theme Breeze_Snow Of course, this can be added to the configuration file to make the settings persistent. With this, a second cursor appears for the second mouse, with a different cursor theme, and a different focus, tied with the second keyboard. I can type into a terminal, and have another person next to me type a comment in the Firefox window next to it. I'm not sure if that's what you mean by it, but it feels better and easier to configure than what we had with X. There are a few bugs where apps don't handle multiple seats that well, and Xwayland applications are a bit left out (especially with cursor themes IIRC).

rbanffy 4y ago

Oh I remember how support for Unix and Motif was - every Unix just had to be different from all others. Looking at you, HP-UX, AIX...

MayeulC 4y ago

That Wayland remark is very weird.It probably comes from an echo chamber or someone who hasn't actually tried it/done some proper research. Or maybe they only use a DE that barely supports it? (which? XFCE?)

superkuh 4y ago
I get the feeling that we're all just touching different ends of the elephant (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_men_and_an_elephant). If you want to use applications that involve keyboard/mouse sharing, for example, the wayland stuff is very beta/experimental if it's there at all. It's not just DEs.
- MayeulC 4y ago
  Thanks for the metaphor, I had forgotten about it. I'm of course biased myself, having started to use sway as my main "DE" in 2018. Sway is quite mature nowadays, though it still has a few bugs. > keyboard/mouse sharing I'm curious by what you mean with this? Adding a second set of mouse/keyboards with their independent focus is for me simply a matter of running a few commands: swaymsg -t get_inputs # lists input, allows you to identify which inputs you want to add to another seat swaymsg seat my-new-seat attach my:second:mouse:identifier swaymsg seat my-new-seat attach my:second:keyboard:identifier swaymsg seat my-new-seat xcursor_theme Breeze_Snow Of course, this can be added to the configuration file to make the settings persistent. With this, a second cursor appears for the second mouse, with a different cursor theme, and a different focus, tied with the second keyboard. I can type into a terminal, and have another person next to me type a comment in the Firefox window next to it. I'm not sure if that's what you mean by it, but it feels better and easier to configure than what we had with X. There are a few bugs where apps don't handle multiple seats that well, and Xwayland applications are a bit left out (especially with cursor themes IIRC).