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Getty Images Is Suing Stable Diffusion for a Staggering $1.8T

30 points by MontagFTB 4y ago

josefresco 4y ago
$1.8T: The pinnacle of "Getty math".
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- 7952 4y ago
  The huge amounts of money are just an opportunity. Use it as the basis for a monetary system! 10 Getty dollars is an IOU for a share of the potential stable diffusion damages.
- omoikane 4y ago
  Related: "The 8 billion iPod" by Rob Reid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0 It's a funny TED talk on "copyright math".
cde-v 4y ago
"Get"ty fucked.
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pvg 4y ago
Discussed recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34668565 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34668565 235 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34411187 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34411187 83 comments
- dang 4y ago
  Thanks! Macroexpanded: Getty Images v. Stability AI – Complaint - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34668565 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34668565 - Feb 2023 (234 comments) Getty Images is suing the creators of Stable Diffusion - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34411187 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34411187 - Jan 2023 (83 comments) Also: Getty sues Stability AI for copying 12M photos and imitating famous watermark - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34687534 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34687534 - Feb 2023 (9 comments) Stable Attribution - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34670136 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34670136 - Feb 2023 (339 comments)
GalenErso 4y ago
Getty's lawyers know they won't ever see more than a fraction of that sum. This is fine. This is part of the game. What they hope is to intimidate SD and other AI art generators into submission. There is nothing stopping a 400 lb programmer, to quote Donald Trump, from bootstrapping their own product. This is a little like suing www.FreeTorentz432.com (made up name) for distributing mirrors for pirated media. The global Internet is an indestructible hydra.
- adzm 4y ago
  > There is nothing stopping a 400 lb programmer, to quote Donald Trump, from bootstrapping their own product. Well, there is the issue of the cost to train that data set in the first place...
- RandomBK 4y ago
  >There is nothing stopping a 400 lb programmer, to quote Donald Trump, from bootstrapping their own product. With the cost of training such models from scratch dropping every year, this type of legal shenanigans will only encourage model development to move into the shadows where there's be even less accountability and AI ethics.
- slowmovintarget 4y ago
  > The global Internet is an indestructible hydra. ...which can be cooked as though it is just a frog. National firewalls here, intellectual property content mediation requirements there, a dash of packet shaping allowed here, here, and here... Boiled hydra.
thwayunion 4y ago
They have an excellent point: > “Getty Images’ visual assets are highly desirable for use in connection with artificial intelligence and machine learning because of their high quality, and because they are accompanied by content-specific, detailed captions and rich metadata,” it writes in the lawsuit. LMAO at $1.8T, of course. Classic Getty.
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- ben_w 4y ago
  Now I'm curious what the total valuation of Getty is. """ Total Valuation Getty Realty has a market cap or net worth of $1.66 billion. The enterprise value is $2.31 billion. Market Cap 1.66B Enterprise Value 2.31B """ - https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/gty/statistics/ https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/gty/statistics/ I don't really know what the difference is between Market Cap (shares * share price?) and Enterprise Value (???) is.
  - TMWNN 4y ago
    Enterprise value is market cap + debt.
jandrese 4y ago
Smells like when RIAA was suing individuals for billions of dollars per album they put on Napster.
- refuse 4y ago
  I'm having trouble imagining something as detached from reality damages in IP suits. You could hypothetically have more wealth than the world GDP stored on a couple of hard drives if you go the amount of money they sue for. Just imagine, with a day of running dd, you'll have double the world GDP! And it'll fit in a backpack! We're lucky some deranged lunatic hasn't held the world economy hostage with his pirated media and a Linux workstation.
miohtama 4y ago
Stock images is the first business that will be killed or seriously reduced by an AI. Getty is fighting for its survival.
- lofaszvanitt 4y ago
  Why is that a good thing?
  - gremlinsinc 4y ago
    It's probably not, and didn't get op was saying it was - just that its an inevitable thing that will happen to dying industries when AI starts killing them.
DoItToMe81 4y ago
Reminder that Getty Images has scraped, stolen and resold thousands if not tens of thousands of images online.
- VWWHFSfQ 4y ago
  did they lose a lawsuit for it
  - miniwark 4y ago
    * In 2008 they lose against Alain Ernoult, a french photographer, in a french court for €1 million https://kaptur.co/getty-images-fined-1-million-euros/ https://kaptur.co/getty-images-fined-1-million-euros/ * In 2013 they lose against Daniel Morel in a US court for $1.2 millions (a french photographer again!) http://www.epuk.org/news/follow-the-daniel-morel-vs-afp-and-getty-images-trial-with-epuks-daily-reports http://www.epuk.org/news/follow-the-daniel-morel-vs-afp-and-... * They have win against Carol Highsmith in 2016. But they probably had settled small money out court for deceptive business practice. https://petapixel.com/2016/11/22/1-billion-getty-images-lawsuit-ends-not-bang-whimper/ https://petapixel.com/2016/11/22/1-billion-getty-images-laws... In short, if you want to win a lawsuit against Getty, do no put your images in the public domain, and be a french photographer.
DueDilligence 4y ago
.. yawn. next.
wisemanwillhear 4y ago
If the original artist/content creators retain the copyright for their images, how does Getty have the legal ability to accuse someone of intellectual property theft when they (Getty) do not own the intellectual property themselves but rather have a non-exclusive license to use it themselves. > DO I RETAIN COPYRIGHT OF MY WORK? >Absolutely. We license imagery to our customers on your behalf and you retain the copyright to all content that you submit to us. > You can register as an individual or a business as long as you are at least 18 years of age. https://joinus.gettyimages.com/eng/ https://joinus.gettyimages.com/eng/
wombatpm 4y ago
Be cheaper to buy them for 2.4 billion

30 points by MontagFTB 4y ago

josefresco 4y ago

$1.8T: The pinnacle of "Getty math".

deleted 4y ago
[deleted]
7952 4y ago
The huge amounts of money are just an opportunity. Use it as the basis for a monetary system! 10 Getty dollars is an IOU for a share of the potential stable diffusion damages.
omoikane 4y ago
Related: "The 8 billion iPod" by Rob Reid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GZadCj8O1-0 It's a funny TED talk on "copyright math".

cde-v 4y ago

"Get"ty fucked.

deleted 4y ago
[deleted]

pvg 4y ago

Discussed recently: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34668565 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34668565 235 comments https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34411187 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34411187 83 comments

dang 4y ago
Thanks! Macroexpanded: Getty Images v. Stability AI – Complaint - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34668565 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34668565 - Feb 2023 (234 comments) Getty Images is suing the creators of Stable Diffusion - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34411187 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34411187 - Jan 2023 (83 comments) Also: Getty sues Stability AI for copying 12M photos and imitating famous watermark - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34687534 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34687534 - Feb 2023 (9 comments) Stable Attribution - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34670136 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=34670136 - Feb 2023 (339 comments)

GalenErso 4y ago

Getty's lawyers know they won't ever see more than a fraction of that sum. This is fine. This is part of the game. What they hope is to intimidate SD and other AI art generators into submission. There is nothing stopping a 400 lb programmer, to quote Donald Trump, from bootstrapping their own product. This is a little like suing www.FreeTorentz432.com (made up name) for distributing mirrors for pirated media. The global Internet is an indestructible hydra.

adzm 4y ago
> There is nothing stopping a 400 lb programmer, to quote Donald Trump, from bootstrapping their own product. Well, there is the issue of the cost to train that data set in the first place...
RandomBK 4y ago
>There is nothing stopping a 400 lb programmer, to quote Donald Trump, from bootstrapping their own product. With the cost of training such models from scratch dropping every year, this type of legal shenanigans will only encourage model development to move into the shadows where there's be even less accountability and AI ethics.
slowmovintarget 4y ago
> The global Internet is an indestructible hydra. ...which can be cooked as though it is just a frog. National firewalls here, intellectual property content mediation requirements there, a dash of packet shaping allowed here, here, and here... Boiled hydra.

thwayunion 4y ago

They have an excellent point: > “Getty Images’ visual assets are highly desirable for use in connection with artificial intelligence and machine learning because of their high quality, and because they are accompanied by content-specific, detailed captions and rich metadata,” it writes in the lawsuit. LMAO at $1.8T, of course. Classic Getty.

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ben_w 4y ago
Now I'm curious what the total valuation of Getty is. """ Total Valuation Getty Realty has a market cap or net worth of $1.66 billion. The enterprise value is $2.31 billion. Market Cap 1.66B Enterprise Value 2.31B """ - https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/gty/statistics/ https://stockanalysis.com/stocks/gty/statistics/ I don't really know what the difference is between Market Cap (shares * share price?) and Enterprise Value (???) is.
- TMWNN 4y ago
  Enterprise value is market cap + debt.

jandrese 4y ago

Smells like when RIAA was suing individuals for billions of dollars per album they put on Napster.

refuse 4y ago
I'm having trouble imagining something as detached from reality damages in IP suits. You could hypothetically have more wealth than the world GDP stored on a couple of hard drives if you go the amount of money they sue for. Just imagine, with a day of running dd, you'll have double the world GDP! And it'll fit in a backpack! We're lucky some deranged lunatic hasn't held the world economy hostage with his pirated media and a Linux workstation.

miohtama 4y ago

Stock images is the first business that will be killed or seriously reduced by an AI. Getty is fighting for its survival.

lofaszvanitt 4y ago
Why is that a good thing?
- gremlinsinc 4y ago
  It's probably not, and didn't get op was saying it was - just that its an inevitable thing that will happen to dying industries when AI starts killing them.

DoItToMe81 4y ago

Reminder that Getty Images has scraped, stolen and resold thousands if not tens of thousands of images online.

VWWHFSfQ 4y ago
did they lose a lawsuit for it
- miniwark 4y ago
  * In 2008 they lose against Alain Ernoult, a french photographer, in a french court for €1 million https://kaptur.co/getty-images-fined-1-million-euros/ https://kaptur.co/getty-images-fined-1-million-euros/ * In 2013 they lose against Daniel Morel in a US court for $1.2 millions (a french photographer again!) http://www.epuk.org/news/follow-the-daniel-morel-vs-afp-and-getty-images-trial-with-epuks-daily-reports http://www.epuk.org/news/follow-the-daniel-morel-vs-afp-and-... * They have win against Carol Highsmith in 2016. But they probably had settled small money out court for deceptive business practice. https://petapixel.com/2016/11/22/1-billion-getty-images-lawsuit-ends-not-bang-whimper/ https://petapixel.com/2016/11/22/1-billion-getty-images-laws... In short, if you want to win a lawsuit against Getty, do no put your images in the public domain, and be a french photographer.

DueDilligence 4y ago

.. yawn. next.

wisemanwillhear 4y ago

If the original artist/content creators retain the copyright for their images, how does Getty have the legal ability to accuse someone of intellectual property theft when they (Getty) do not own the intellectual property themselves but rather have a non-exclusive license to use it themselves. > DO I RETAIN COPYRIGHT OF MY WORK? >Absolutely. We license imagery to our customers on your behalf and you retain the copyright to all content that you submit to us. > You can register as an individual or a business as long as you are at least 18 years of age. https://joinus.gettyimages.com/eng/ https://joinus.gettyimages.com/eng/

wombatpm 4y ago

Be cheaper to buy them for 2.4 billion