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This would match what psychologists say about humans in general: we feel first, then we use our brain to justify that feeling. We’re not rational beings.

by eska 4y ago

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago
We totally are, it's just that rationality is a tool, not a guide. If you want to work out the truth, rationality will help you do that, but if instead you want to justify a decision you already made, well, it'll help you do that too.
- galangalalgol 4y ago
  Hypothesis don't come from rationality either, they result from well informed intuition. All of the formality of science is about tricking ourselves into discovering our intuition is wrong using a rational series of steps even when everything in our nature is to use that ability to reason to do the opposite.
ArjenM 4y ago
A whole industry of emotional branding is thriving, systematically overloading our brains so it hurt to even think differently in the moment. We are accepting a whole lot of assumptions every day.
moremetadata 4y ago
Thats because psychologists dont understand or choose to ignore how chemistry influences our personalities and emotions. An extremely simple example from the same medical/health profession is the use of SSRI's to make people feel happy. The legal system recognises how chemicals influence our feelings because of the laws that exists on illegal drugs or drink driving. The definition of rational is being informed enough to know what said chemicals will do in the short term and long term in order to make an informed decision, but then I'm reminded we dont get taught any of the above unless we specialise at a Uni, so most people cant make any sort of informed decision.
- h0p3 4y ago
  I'd like to know more about "[Your] life under [your] state employed 'parents' and at the hands of other employees of the state"
diognesofsinope 4y ago
I think the answer is simpler: people care about their careers and their family first. Think, "If the data says something that gets in the way of my career well I don't care about the data." Had the same problem when I was an economics researcher -- publication bias for what stakeholders want to hear (often the government) is rampant because that's where funding for the economics department mostly comes from.
- inadequatespace 4y ago
  It's only rational. The company certainly doesn't care about that individual first, as evidenced by e.g. its decision to lay them off when it doesn't think the individual is serving them, so why should the individual put the company first? This is also known as The Iron Law of Institutions.
trieste92 4y ago
or is it that psychologists feel that we aren't rational and use reason to justify this? it isn't clear to me how the grounds for realizaing the theory are reconciliable with its conclusion
Karellen 4y ago
"Man is not a rational animal; he is a rationalizing animal." -- Robert A. Heinlein, Tunnel in the Sky, 1955

This would match what psychologists say about humans in general: we feel first, then we use our brain to justify that feeling. We’re not rational beings.

by eska 4y ago

This would match what psychologists say about humans in general: we feel first, then we use our brain to justify that feeling. We’re not rational beings.

AnIdiotOnTheNet 4y ago

We totally are, it's just that rationality is a tool, not a guide. If you want to work out the truth, rationality will help you do that, but if instead you want to justify a decision you already made, well, it'll help you do that too.

galangalalgol 4y ago
Hypothesis don't come from rationality either, they result from well informed intuition. All of the formality of science is about tricking ourselves into discovering our intuition is wrong using a rational series of steps even when everything in our nature is to use that ability to reason to do the opposite.

ArjenM 4y ago

A whole industry of emotional branding is thriving, systematically overloading our brains so it hurt to even think differently in the moment. We are accepting a whole lot of assumptions every day.

moremetadata 4y ago

Thats because psychologists dont understand or choose to ignore how chemistry influences our personalities and emotions. An extremely simple example from the same medical/health profession is the use of SSRI's to make people feel happy. The legal system recognises how chemicals influence our feelings because of the laws that exists on illegal drugs or drink driving. The definition of rational is being informed enough to know what said chemicals will do in the short term and long term in order to make an informed decision, but then I'm reminded we dont get taught any of the above unless we specialise at a Uni, so most people cant make any sort of informed decision.

h0p3 4y ago
I'd like to know more about "[Your] life under [your] state employed 'parents' and at the hands of other employees of the state"

diognesofsinope 4y ago

I think the answer is simpler: people care about their careers and their family first. Think, "If the data says something that gets in the way of my career well I don't care about the data." Had the same problem when I was an economics researcher -- publication bias for what stakeholders want to hear (often the government) is rampant because that's where funding for the economics department mostly comes from.

inadequatespace 4y ago
It's only rational. The company certainly doesn't care about that individual first, as evidenced by e.g. its decision to lay them off when it doesn't think the individual is serving them, so why should the individual put the company first? This is also known as The Iron Law of Institutions.

trieste92 4y ago

or is it that psychologists feel that we aren't rational and use reason to justify this? it isn't clear to me how the grounds for realizaing the theory are reconciliable with its conclusion

Karellen 4y ago

"Man is not a rational animal; he is a rationalizing animal." -- Robert A. Heinlein, Tunnel in the Sky, 1955