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Oh, you quoted Sun Tzu so that means your logic and arguments are correct, good to know. You're correct that humans have lived in peaceful, cooperative societi
by HideousKojima 4y ago
Oh, you quoted Sun Tzu so that means your logic and arguments are correct, good to know.
You're correct that humans have lived in peaceful, cooperative societies in the past. What you don't seem to grasp is that those societies were never larger than a few hundred members and, critically, they were only peaceful within their own ranks. Cooperative societies require trust, and humans have extreme difficulty in building trust outside of their immediate friends and family. Millenia spent establishing robust institutions and legal systems are the only reason modern society enjoys the levels of trust it does today, and all attempts to replace those institutions with new ones that encourage cooperation (or else!) have lead to mountains of skulls.
We can look to primates, and most of the animal kingdom, for further proof of this. Chimps get into wars over resources with anyone outside of their own troup, and even enslave other chimps at times. Ants have extremely high trust, cooperative societies... until they run into a competing colony. Why are humans magically different? If you're going to make a religious argument that God made us different I'd consider it, but nothing in biology or history supports it.
- AndrewKemendo 4y agoHumans are not "magically" different, we are measurably biologically different and that makes all of the difference. We have the capacity to care beyond Dunbar's number (which you obliquely reference) but again, structurally we built systems of competition and distrust to survive - precisely the opposite actually of what you claim. These are not systems of trust they are systems of mutual fear. The systems that got us here will not work any further I'd appreciate you not making claims that I don't make nor assuming things I do not state. Feel free to prove my argument wrong with a robust response. All of your claims I rebut in the paper.