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>Everyone bans books. Sorry, I should have been more clear. Desantis is banning books for political reasons that have nothing to do with the education of child

by cmh89 4y ago

>Everyone bans books. Sorry, I should have been more clear. Desantis is banning books for political reasons that have nothing to do with the education of children. > I think there needs to be a question of merit about what is taught, no? I'm not sure what you're getting at here. Experts on children's education are not calling for these politics-based book bannings.

Dig1t 4y ago
A huge number of parents object though, which is why Desantis has so much support. Graphic depictions and descriptions of gay sex are of dubious educational value to a large portion of parents.
- cmh89 4y ago
  I'm sure they do, just like they were outraged by critical race theory being taught in elementary school. I'm not arguing that Desantis is a bad politician. He understands how to create a boogeyman and then get people outraged over it better than any politician alive.
  - Dig1t 4y ago
    For me, it was the opposite. I see this stuff at work and online and am angry about it. I look out at the political landscape and see that all the left is supporting this racist garbage, and I see the right is more concerned with oil pipelines and lowering taxes. Desantis is the only one who sticks out that is doing anything about this.
    - cmh89 4y ago
      >I see this stuff at work and online and am angry about it. Well yeah, that's the whole point of their information machine. >I look out at the political landscape and see that all the left is supporting this racist garbage, and I see the right is more concerned with oil pipelines and lowering taxes. Who is now? The right only has the culture war to talk about. Tucker is on nightly raging about identity politics and whatever they want you to be upset about. I have two Democrat Senators and a Democrat rep I get emails from and they basically only talk about job creation, protecting the environment, and creating a fair tax system. Your understanding of 'left' politics is just what right-wing media has told you it is.
      - knewter 4y ago
        Have you considered that your understanding of left wing politics is what the left wing media told you? Dude you're arguing with said he saw it happening at work and it concerned him. You pretended like that didn't happen. Why won't you acknowledge your fellow man's agency?
        lazyasciiart 4y ago
        I don’t believe that he sees graphic depictions of gay sex in elementary schools at work.
  - wonderwonder 4y ago
    Your comment makes the assumption that its all a scam and that the people voting for him over it are not intelligent enough to form their own opinions. That's a pretty arrogant assumption. What if the people voting for him are intelligent functioning members of society, have genuine concerns about the topic at hand and feel that Desantis best represents those concerns? Just because this is not a topic of concern for you does not make it any less of one for others. Everyone votes on different issues.
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  >Graphic depictions and descriptions of gay sex are of dubious educational value to a large portion of parents. Where is this happening?
rayiner 4y ago
The education and socialization of children is one of the fundamental functions of a society and as such it’s inherently a political issue. Education experts are delegated the authority to figure out the particulars of how to educate children. The decision of what kids learn is a political decision outside their domain.
tablespoon 4y ago
> Sorry, I should have been more clear. Desantis is banning books for political reasons that have nothing to do with the education of children. Sorry, no. That's just "when I do it, it's good; but when they do it, it's evil." All these book decisions are for "political reasons," and they all have everything to do with the education of children.
- Forgeties79 4y ago
  >All these book decisions are for "political reasons," and they all have everything to do with the education of children. Should be easy to show us some major examples on the left then. I can't think of a single governor moving the way Abbott and DeSantis are.
  - tablespoon 4y ago
    > Should be easy to show us some major examples on the left then. I can't think of a single governor moving the way Abbott and DeSantis are. It is. How many books that are anathema to the left do you think you'd find in a school library (e.g. something skeptical about transgenderism)? If you look at library weeding criteria, you'll typically find language about removing books that are now politically incorrect (though they wouldn't use that term). It's also a mistake to insist on exact symmetry. My understanding is the left is quite over-represented in the librarian profession as a whole, and "book ban" is misleadingly defined as overriding the choices of those public employees: > It is important to recognize that books available in schools, whether in a school or classroom library, or as part of a curriculum, were selected by librarians and educators as part of the educational offerings to students. Book bans occur when those choices are overridden by school boards, administrators, teachers, or even politicians, on the basis of a particular book’s content (https://pen.org/report/banned-usa-growing-movement-to-censor-books-in-schools/ https://pen.org/report/banned-usa-growing-movement-to-censor...). If a different situation were true (e.g. conservative Christians were quite over-represented in the librarian profession), I'm absolutely certain you'd see political responses from liberal government authorities.
    - 4y ago

by cmh89 4y ago

Dig1t 4y ago

A huge number of parents object though, which is why Desantis has so much support. Graphic depictions and descriptions of gay sex are of dubious educational value to a large portion of parents.

cmh89 4y ago
I'm sure they do, just like they were outraged by critical race theory being taught in elementary school. I'm not arguing that Desantis is a bad politician. He understands how to create a boogeyman and then get people outraged over it better than any politician alive.
- Dig1t 4y ago
  For me, it was the opposite. I see this stuff at work and online and am angry about it. I look out at the political landscape and see that all the left is supporting this racist garbage, and I see the right is more concerned with oil pipelines and lowering taxes. Desantis is the only one who sticks out that is doing anything about this.
  - cmh89 4y ago
    >I see this stuff at work and online and am angry about it. Well yeah, that's the whole point of their information machine. >I look out at the political landscape and see that all the left is supporting this racist garbage, and I see the right is more concerned with oil pipelines and lowering taxes. Who is now? The right only has the culture war to talk about. Tucker is on nightly raging about identity politics and whatever they want you to be upset about. I have two Democrat Senators and a Democrat rep I get emails from and they basically only talk about job creation, protecting the environment, and creating a fair tax system. Your understanding of 'left' politics is just what right-wing media has told you it is.
    - knewter 4y ago
      Have you considered that your understanding of left wing politics is what the left wing media told you? Dude you're arguing with said he saw it happening at work and it concerned him. You pretended like that didn't happen. Why won't you acknowledge your fellow man's agency?
      - lazyasciiart 4y ago
        I don’t believe that he sees graphic depictions of gay sex in elementary schools at work.
- wonderwonder 4y ago
  Your comment makes the assumption that its all a scam and that the people voting for him over it are not intelligent enough to form their own opinions. That's a pretty arrogant assumption. What if the people voting for him are intelligent functioning members of society, have genuine concerns about the topic at hand and feel that Desantis best represents those concerns? Just because this is not a topic of concern for you does not make it any less of one for others. Everyone votes on different issues.
Forgeties79 4y ago
>Graphic depictions and descriptions of gay sex are of dubious educational value to a large portion of parents. Where is this happening?

rayiner 4y ago

The education and socialization of children is one of the fundamental functions of a society and as such it’s inherently a political issue. Education experts are delegated the authority to figure out the particulars of how to educate children. The decision of what kids learn is a political decision outside their domain.

tablespoon 4y ago

> Sorry, I should have been more clear. Desantis is banning books for political reasons that have nothing to do with the education of children. Sorry, no. That's just "when I do it, it's good; but when they do it, it's evil." All these book decisions are for "political reasons," and they all have everything to do with the education of children.

Forgeties79 4y ago
>All these book decisions are for "political reasons," and they all have everything to do with the education of children. Should be easy to show us some major examples on the left then. I can't think of a single governor moving the way Abbott and DeSantis are.
- tablespoon 4y ago
  > Should be easy to show us some major examples on the left then. I can't think of a single governor moving the way Abbott and DeSantis are. It is. How many books that are anathema to the left do you think you'd find in a school library (e.g. something skeptical about transgenderism)? If you look at library weeding criteria, you'll typically find language about removing books that are now politically incorrect (though they wouldn't use that term). It's also a mistake to insist on exact symmetry. My understanding is the left is quite over-represented in the librarian profession as a whole, and "book ban" is misleadingly defined as overriding the choices of those public employees: > It is important to recognize that books available in schools, whether in a school or classroom library, or as part of a curriculum, were selected by librarians and educators as part of the educational offerings to students. Book bans occur when those choices are overridden by school boards, administrators, teachers, or even politicians, on the basis of a particular book’s content (https://pen.org/report/banned-usa-growing-movement-to-censor-books-in-schools/ https://pen.org/report/banned-usa-growing-movement-to-censor...). If a different situation were true (e.g. conservative Christians were quite over-represented in the librarian profession), I'm absolutely certain you'd see political responses from liberal government authorities.
  - 4y ago