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Oh I agree! I think the guilds are great to its membership in general, but breaking in is itself a battle. Tech doesn’t need to copy Hollywood exactly (nor sho

Oh I agree! I think the guilds are great to its membership in general, but breaking in is itself a battle. Tech doesn’t need to copy Hollywood exactly (nor should it), but there’s a lot that can be learned from it.

Aunche 4y ago
Unions aren't a hack that let you subvert supply and demand. The "bad" parts of unions are what give it power. Without excluding an out-group, you're left with a useless bureaucracy. For Hollywood, I think this is a necessary "evil" because the market rate for creative jobs is likely close to working making $0 for 80 hour work weeks. However, this isn't the same for tech.
- thebradbain 4y ago
  Well, an important distinction in Hollywood versus my understanding of most other unions is that being a part of a guild does not guarantee you a job (though it is a prerequisite for many of them): You still need to be hired by a production, who chooses to work with you and sets your rate. The guild just provides a guarantee of pay floor, hours, conditions, healthcare, etc across and transcending individual companies. So the guilds could theoretically let in as many people as they wanted without diluting supply and demand, because membership does not mean actively working. The Guild system is unique because its as much as a credentialing system as a union, which is why I think it works.
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- Apocryphon 4y ago
  > Unions aren't a hack that let you subvert supply and demand. The "bad" parts of unions are what give it power. Without excluding an out-group, you're left with a useless bureaucracy. So much of tech in the past few decades have been about hacking regulation. Why is it when it comes to labor power, it's suddenly an impossibility? > However, this isn't the same for tech. Video games are notoriously underpaid and overworked, due to it being a body pit for the passionate. But that's a specific tech niche, sure.

Aunche 4y ago

Unions aren't a hack that let you subvert supply and demand. The "bad" parts of unions are what give it power. Without excluding an out-group, you're left with a useless bureaucracy. For Hollywood, I think this is a necessary "evil" because the market rate for creative jobs is likely close to working making $0 for 80 hour work weeks. However, this isn't the same for tech.

thebradbain 4y ago
Well, an important distinction in Hollywood versus my understanding of most other unions is that being a part of a guild does not guarantee you a job (though it is a prerequisite for many of them): You still need to be hired by a production, who chooses to work with you and sets your rate. The guild just provides a guarantee of pay floor, hours, conditions, healthcare, etc across and transcending individual companies. So the guilds could theoretically let in as many people as they wanted without diluting supply and demand, because membership does not mean actively working. The Guild system is unique because its as much as a credentialing system as a union, which is why I think it works.
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Apocryphon 4y ago
> Unions aren't a hack that let you subvert supply and demand. The "bad" parts of unions are what give it power. Without excluding an out-group, you're left with a useless bureaucracy. So much of tech in the past few decades have been about hacking regulation. Why is it when it comes to labor power, it's suddenly an impossibility? > However, this isn't the same for tech. Video games are notoriously underpaid and overworked, due to it being a body pit for the passionate. But that's a specific tech niche, sure.