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> Yah, sure-- but are you being deliberately misleading? How is what I said deliberately misleading? The claim was that Russia left the treaty before 2021, whi

> Yah, sure-- but are you being deliberately misleading? How is what I said deliberately misleading? The claim was that Russia left the treaty before 2021, which is false. They also claimed it is the reason Russia invaded Ukraine, which there's no evidence to support. I also NEVER said it was -because- of Biden, no idea why you are even putting words in my mouth. If I make a factual statement to refute someone else saying something false, that is misleading now? What kind of "post-truth" world are you living in? Not everything has to turn into a nuanced discussion, especially when someone is making a direct false claim. If you want to get nuanced, it's important to note that both Biden and Trump agreed in leaving it, Biden could have rejoined it (he was even asked, and said no); he has joined other things like the Paris Climate Accord which Trump left for example. The general reason the US left is because other countries, mainly Russia, kept breaking the agreement.

mlyle 4y ago
> The claim was that Russia left the treaty before 2021 That was not the claim. The claim was the Trump administration "let Russia out of the agreement." Because the Trump administration left the agreement, they allowed Russia to leave the agreement without any further diplomatic consequence or scorn. It is hard to imagine any other action that "let Russia out of the agreement." I am trying to assume good faith but this assumption is being sorely tested.
- partiallypro 4y ago
  > The claim was the Trump administration "let Russia out of the agreement." Which is false, because they left the agreement in 2021 on their own accord. > Because the Trump administration left the agreement, they allowed Russia to leave the agreement without any further diplomatic consequence or scorn. This was not the original claim made, this is goal post shifting for getting a fact wrong. > I am trying to assume good faith but this assumption is being sorely tested. Making false claims isn't "good faith."
  - mlyle 4y ago
    > Which is false, because they left the agreement in 2021 on their own accord. Yes... after the agreement was rendered meaningless by Trump's withdrawal, Russia did leave too.

mlyle 4y ago

> The claim was that Russia left the treaty before 2021 That was not the claim. The claim was the Trump administration "let Russia out of the agreement." Because the Trump administration left the agreement, they allowed Russia to leave the agreement without any further diplomatic consequence or scorn. It is hard to imagine any other action that "let Russia out of the agreement." I am trying to assume good faith but this assumption is being sorely tested.

partiallypro 4y ago
> The claim was the Trump administration "let Russia out of the agreement." Which is false, because they left the agreement in 2021 on their own accord. > Because the Trump administration left the agreement, they allowed Russia to leave the agreement without any further diplomatic consequence or scorn. This was not the original claim made, this is goal post shifting for getting a fact wrong. > I am trying to assume good faith but this assumption is being sorely tested. Making false claims isn't "good faith."
- mlyle 4y ago
  > Which is false, because they left the agreement in 2021 on their own accord. Yes... after the agreement was rendered meaningless by Trump's withdrawal, Russia did leave too.