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He banned books? They are illegal to possess in the state? Or did he just have certain books removed from the curriculum or deemed inappropriate to teach in sch

He banned books? They are illegal to possess in the state? Or did he just have certain books removed from the curriculum or deemed inappropriate to teach in school? One is a serious accusation, the other is something that's done every day. You see a lot of copies of Mein Kampf in elementary school libraries? How about playboy magazines? Schools are always reevaluating what they deem appropriate, let's not blow it out of proportion and use wildly inappropriate and inflammatory words to describe it.

SpeedilyDamage 4y ago
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- josephcsible 4y ago
  "no books at all" is a result of them voluntarily making things worse to try to win political points. That's not what any law required.
  - esporx 4y ago
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    - remarkEon 4y ago
      You can read the law in question here[1]. Parents must have a venue to object to instructional content, and porn in school libraries is already illegal under a prior law about giving porn to minors. What is unclear about this? [1] https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1467/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1467/BillText/er/...
      - hgielatan 4y ago
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        remarkEon 4y ago
        You can read the Florida statute here[1]. It is crystal clear. Whichever journalists wrote those articles choose to not actually read the law, for some reason. [1] https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/847.012 https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/847.012
      - enragedcacti 4y ago
        Classic DeSantis bait-and-switch, the actual text says: > b. Any material used in a classroom, made available in a school library, or included on a reading list contains content that is pornographic or prohibited under s. 847.012, is not suited to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material presented, or is inappropriate for the grade level and age group for which the material is used. The first clause is very clear and gives cover to say "its just about pornography, whats the problem???" and the second and third clauses are astoundingly vague and provide ample confusion to effectively ban whatever books a single parent doesn't like until a review panel issues a decision. Even if the decisions can be made promptly, the law is so vague it provides cover for political operatives to make whatever decision they want. fwiw I agree that there has been a very confusing conflation in the media about what violations consitute a felony.
        remarkEon 4y ago
        Okay, but that's a different argument than "these teachers will go to jail now", which is what some people are pretending is happening but isn't. Is your argument now that parents should not have a forum to influence what is taught in the classroom? Or is your issue that they'll make decisions you don't agree with?
        enragedcacti 4y ago
        My issue is that almost all of the "anti-woke" laws signed by DeSantis are astoundingly vague and make it extremely easy to submit objections but costly to combat objections, leading to a regime of defacto bans on controversial material or lessons regardless of their educational or developmental value. HB 1557 with its 'vigilante' style enforcement is a great example of this. I believe children have rights and autonomy and at appropriate ages should have access to information some parents may find objectionable. There should of course be limits and parents should have input, but the law as written is not attempting to find any reasonable balance in my opinion.
- remarkEon 4y ago
  This is a bizarre article. It's a chronology of what appear to be neurotic teachers grossly overreacting to a law that says schools boards must provide a means for parents to object to content in instructional material that may (or may not) be pornographic in nature, or otherwise inappropriate. This is not "no books at all" in high school libraries. >The bill itself does not outline penalties for educators, but school officials have nonetheless suggested that felony charges are possible under a preëxisting law prohibiting the distribution of pornography to minors. Why would these school officials do this, intentionally scare their teachers? I can venture a guess... It's not in the law, which NY Mag actually links to this time, and what law is referenced with regard to pornography is an old one, where yes if you give porn to minors you can be charged with a felony.[1] [1] https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1467/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1467/BillText/er/...
- Dig1t 4y ago
  This was obviously a political stunt.
Forgeties79 4y ago
>He banned books? They are illegal to possess in the state? Come on man, you know what "banned books" are. They are books that libraries are not allowed to carry/lend and schools cannot assign/carry/lend. It could be the result of local/state/federal law, or a school administration's decision, or a PTA, whatever. Why are you pretending you don't know this? DeSantis has banned books at the state level with the GOP legislature in Florida. That is what we are talking about.

SpeedilyDamage 4y ago

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josephcsible 4y ago
"no books at all" is a result of them voluntarily making things worse to try to win political points. That's not what any law required.
- esporx 4y ago
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  - remarkEon 4y ago
    You can read the law in question here[1]. Parents must have a venue to object to instructional content, and porn in school libraries is already illegal under a prior law about giving porn to minors. What is unclear about this? [1] https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1467/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1467/BillText/er/...
    - hgielatan 4y ago
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      - remarkEon 4y ago
        You can read the Florida statute here[1]. It is crystal clear. Whichever journalists wrote those articles choose to not actually read the law, for some reason. [1] https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/847.012 https://m.flsenate.gov/Statutes/847.012
    - enragedcacti 4y ago
      Classic DeSantis bait-and-switch, the actual text says: > b. Any material used in a classroom, made available in a school library, or included on a reading list contains content that is pornographic or prohibited under s. 847.012, is not suited to student needs and their ability to comprehend the material presented, or is inappropriate for the grade level and age group for which the material is used. The first clause is very clear and gives cover to say "its just about pornography, whats the problem???" and the second and third clauses are astoundingly vague and provide ample confusion to effectively ban whatever books a single parent doesn't like until a review panel issues a decision. Even if the decisions can be made promptly, the law is so vague it provides cover for political operatives to make whatever decision they want. fwiw I agree that there has been a very confusing conflation in the media about what violations consitute a felony.
      - remarkEon 4y ago
        Okay, but that's a different argument than "these teachers will go to jail now", which is what some people are pretending is happening but isn't. Is your argument now that parents should not have a forum to influence what is taught in the classroom? Or is your issue that they'll make decisions you don't agree with?
        enragedcacti 4y ago
        My issue is that almost all of the "anti-woke" laws signed by DeSantis are astoundingly vague and make it extremely easy to submit objections but costly to combat objections, leading to a regime of defacto bans on controversial material or lessons regardless of their educational or developmental value. HB 1557 with its 'vigilante' style enforcement is a great example of this. I believe children have rights and autonomy and at appropriate ages should have access to information some parents may find objectionable. There should of course be limits and parents should have input, but the law as written is not attempting to find any reasonable balance in my opinion.
remarkEon 4y ago
This is a bizarre article. It's a chronology of what appear to be neurotic teachers grossly overreacting to a law that says schools boards must provide a means for parents to object to content in instructional material that may (or may not) be pornographic in nature, or otherwise inappropriate. This is not "no books at all" in high school libraries. >The bill itself does not outline penalties for educators, but school officials have nonetheless suggested that felony charges are possible under a preëxisting law prohibiting the distribution of pornography to minors. Why would these school officials do this, intentionally scare their teachers? I can venture a guess... It's not in the law, which NY Mag actually links to this time, and what law is referenced with regard to pornography is an old one, where yes if you give porn to minors you can be charged with a felony.[1] [1] https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1467/BillText/er/PDF https://www.flsenate.gov/Session/Bill/2022/1467/BillText/er/...
Dig1t 4y ago
This was obviously a political stunt.

Forgeties79 4y ago

>He banned books? They are illegal to possess in the state? Come on man, you know what "banned books" are. They are books that libraries are not allowed to carry/lend and schools cannot assign/carry/lend. It could be the result of local/state/federal law, or a school administration's decision, or a PTA, whatever. Why are you pretending you don't know this? DeSantis has banned books at the state level with the GOP legislature in Florida. That is what we are talking about.