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> It's the civil rights movement in reverse. Is it? Here's what MLK has written: > “Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, som

> It's the civil rights movement in reverse. Is it? Here's what MLK has written: > “Whenever the issue of compensatory treatment for the Negro is raised, some of our friends recoil in horror. The Negro should be granted equality, they agree; but he should ask nothing more. On the surface, this appears reasonable, but it is not realistic.” > “A society that has done something special against the Negro for hundreds of years must now do something special for the Negro.” > “A section of the white population, perceiving Negro pressure for change, misconstrues it as a demand for privileges rather than as a desperate quest for existence. The ensuing white backlash intimidates government officials who are already too timorous.” DEI initiatives, when executed correctly, show substantially and consistently superior outcomes for the people and organizations who implement them. You will see more, and more successful, DEI initiatives for the rest of your life, because they work. Companies who are successful will tend to be companies who execute DEI initiatives well (I can post many high quality sources if folks are interested). It's completely fair to criticize bad implementations of DEI, and we all know there are a lot of those, but to throw the baby out with the bath water here would be a mistake, and not one corporations will make willingly. You'd have to be pretty militant and aggressive with the law in order to stop companies from pursuing a win/win like DEI.

lflfofodpld 4y ago
Lmao your argument is "real DEI has never been tried"
- esporx 4y ago
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- anonymouskimmer 4y ago
  Real DEI is tried. But everyone complains about the sucky implementations. Here's an equity implementation that seemed to work: https://www.corporatecomplianceinsights.com/how-successful-dei-initiatives-actually-work/ https://www.corporatecomplianceinsights.com/how-successful-d... > Schulman realized he had to do something about the large gap between the lower-paid employees and the rest of the company. “Imagine asking people to double down on serving customers when they’re more financially stressed than ever before, when they don’t even have healthcare benefits,” he told Insider. So PayPal raised wages for lower-level workers by about 7 percent – not a huge amount, but enough to ease money worries – and gave them restricted stock units so they could share in PayPal’s success. The company also covered more healthcare costs, cutting the amount lower-level employees contribute by around 58 percent. > Employee turnover has been cut in half Here is a diversity initiative enacted politically: https://www.hrdive.com/news/virginia-outlaws-hair-discrimination/573713/ https://www.hrdive.com/news/virginia-outlaws-hair-discrimina... > Discrimination based on hair texture, type and hairstyles such as braids, locks and twists will be illegal in Virginia starting July 1. Gov. Ralph Northam signed a bill on March 4 that “clarifies” that when the law bans discrimination “on the basis of race,” that includes “traits historically associated with race, including hair texture, hair type, and protective hairstyles such as braids, locks, and twists.” I'm sure I could fine more examples if I didn't have a meeting in 5 minutes.
bushbaba 4y ago
DEI programs exist to avoid lawsuits. As we saw during layoffs, many companies used the downsize opportunities to cut their DEI investment. DEI has been proven to benefit white woman the most. Not sure I’d call that a success for black American socio economic uplift.
Manuel_D 4y ago
One crucial detail to note with the research showing diversity improves company performance: Asians were categorized as diverse in these studies. But in all the DEI initiatives I've seen, Asians were either non-diverse and in some they were "negative diversity" and treated even worse than whites. So there's a mismatched between the definitions of diversity used in research and used in DEI discrimination.
- dontflyaway 4y ago
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- esporx 4y ago
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  - Manuel_D 4y ago
    All of your links are either paywalled studies, or lead to 404 pages, except for the first one. > The effect of shared ethnicity was even stronger, reducing an investment’s comparative success rate by 26.4% to 32.2%. Right, so any diversity of ethnicity - including Asians - was associated with this "diversity boost". > They find student performance most-improved when there was greater management diversity, And again, what was the criteria used to measure diversity? Did it count Asians as diverse? You keep citing excerpts from these studies, but don't include anything relevant to my comment: are Asians considered diverse or not? > Most of the sixteen reviews matching inclusion criteria demonstrated positive associations between diversity, quality and financial performance. Healthcare studies showed patients generally fare better when care was provided by more diverse teams. And for the third time are Asians considered diverse? That's the crux of the question that you continuously fail to answer. > Using data from the 1996 to 1997 National Organizations Survey, a national sample of for-profit business organizations, this article tests eight hypotheses derived from the value-in-diversity thesis. The results support seven of these hypotheses: racial diversity is associated with increased sales revenue, more customers, greater market share, and greater relative profits. And again, were Asians included in the definition of "racial diversity"?
sva_ 4y ago
> (I can post many high quality sources if folks are interested) Well, don't tease us like that?
- esporx 4y ago
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lflfofodpld 4y ago

Lmao your argument is "real DEI has never been tried"

esporx 4y ago
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anonymouskimmer 4y ago
Real DEI is tried. But everyone complains about the sucky implementations. Here's an equity implementation that seemed to work: https://www.corporatecomplianceinsights.com/how-successful-dei-initiatives-actually-work/ https://www.corporatecomplianceinsights.com/how-successful-d... > Schulman realized he had to do something about the large gap between the lower-paid employees and the rest of the company. “Imagine asking people to double down on serving customers when they’re more financially stressed than ever before, when they don’t even have healthcare benefits,” he told Insider. So PayPal raised wages for lower-level workers by about 7 percent – not a huge amount, but enough to ease money worries – and gave them restricted stock units so they could share in PayPal’s success. The company also covered more healthcare costs, cutting the amount lower-level employees contribute by around 58 percent. > Employee turnover has been cut in half Here is a diversity initiative enacted politically: https://www.hrdive.com/news/virginia-outlaws-hair-discrimination/573713/ https://www.hrdive.com/news/virginia-outlaws-hair-discrimina... > Discrimination based on hair texture, type and hairstyles such as braids, locks and twists will be illegal in Virginia starting July 1. Gov. Ralph Northam signed a bill on March 4 that “clarifies” that when the law bans discrimination “on the basis of race,” that includes “traits historically associated with race, including hair texture, hair type, and protective hairstyles such as braids, locks, and twists.” I'm sure I could fine more examples if I didn't have a meeting in 5 minutes.

bushbaba 4y ago

DEI programs exist to avoid lawsuits. As we saw during layoffs, many companies used the downsize opportunities to cut their DEI investment. DEI has been proven to benefit white woman the most. Not sure I’d call that a success for black American socio economic uplift.

Manuel_D 4y ago

One crucial detail to note with the research showing diversity improves company performance: Asians were categorized as diverse in these studies. But in all the DEI initiatives I've seen, Asians were either non-diverse and in some they were "negative diversity" and treated even worse than whites. So there's a mismatched between the definitions of diversity used in research and used in DEI discrimination.

dontflyaway 4y ago
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esporx 4y ago
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- Manuel_D 4y ago
  All of your links are either paywalled studies, or lead to 404 pages, except for the first one. > The effect of shared ethnicity was even stronger, reducing an investment’s comparative success rate by 26.4% to 32.2%. Right, so any diversity of ethnicity - including Asians - was associated with this "diversity boost". > They find student performance most-improved when there was greater management diversity, And again, what was the criteria used to measure diversity? Did it count Asians as diverse? You keep citing excerpts from these studies, but don't include anything relevant to my comment: are Asians considered diverse or not? > Most of the sixteen reviews matching inclusion criteria demonstrated positive associations between diversity, quality and financial performance. Healthcare studies showed patients generally fare better when care was provided by more diverse teams. And for the third time are Asians considered diverse? That's the crux of the question that you continuously fail to answer. > Using data from the 1996 to 1997 National Organizations Survey, a national sample of for-profit business organizations, this article tests eight hypotheses derived from the value-in-diversity thesis. The results support seven of these hypotheses: racial diversity is associated with increased sales revenue, more customers, greater market share, and greater relative profits. And again, were Asians included in the definition of "racial diversity"?

sva_ 4y ago

> (I can post many high quality sources if folks are interested) Well, don't tease us like that?

esporx 4y ago
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