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If AGI isn't considered as human, then it can't consent to being married as they don't have free will.

by aynyc 4y ago

verdverm 4y ago
Marriage laws have changed throughout history, it was once defined to between a man and a woman, until we decided to drop that requirement. Why does it have to be between a human and a human? What is free will? Does an animal have free will? Which ones? What if an artificial entity display features of free will closer to humans than animals? Who decides this? Do we need to define "free will" before allowing such marriages? Will some governance areas allow such marriages before others?
- aynyc 4y ago
  In order to get married, you first need both parties competent enough to say yes. We don't let underage kids to say yes to marriage anymore (I know some cultures and countries have different views but they probably have more restrictive marriage laws). Since we (as a society) can't even agree on what free will is, I see no way a law or form of governance can determine that.
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  - verdverm 4y ago
    You can get married in New Hampshire at 13 with parental consent, most states are 16 https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/marriage-age-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/marriage-ag... Seems that NH has changed since the above link was published https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_age_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_age_in_the_United_Sta... has more details per state, seems some states have a way for any age
    - aynyc 4y ago
      That's not true since 2018/2019.
  - verdverm 4y ago
    One government has already granted a robot citizenship: https://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/10187/meet-saudi-arabia-s-newest-citizen-sophia-the-robot https://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/10187/meet-sau... It does not matter what you think about the topic, it's what gets approved by laws. To think that it won't happen for reason X or Y is to discount history and likely outcomes. Why shouldn't a person be able to marry a robot if they so desire? Why shouldn't a robot be able to earn their own income?
vidarh 4y ago
Define free will in a way that can be objectively assessed and isn't circular, yet where humans will unambiguously end up with free will and AGI won't. Free will as anything but an illusion of agency is an absurd concept.
- verdverm 4y ago
  How much free will or "agency" do humans actually exhibit vs how much is habit or primitive brain-biology impulse and behaviors? Why leave out animals in this analysis? They certainly have an amount of free will, preferences, emotions, and problem solving skills... varied by species, breed, and individual
  - vidarh 4y ago
    My argument is that there is no viable definition of free will as anything but an illusion. In other words, I'm saying every indication we have is that we're almost certainly automatons. As such, "free will" is not a reasonable way of distinguishing which entities are capable of giving sufficiently informed consent (not least because most of us would assign the illusion of free will to children as well, yet disagree that they're competent enough to get married).

If AGI isn't considered as human, then it can't consent to being married as they don't have free will.

by aynyc 4y ago

If AGI isn't considered as human, then it can't consent to being married as they don't have free will.

Marriage laws have changed throughout history, it was once defined to between a man and a woman, until we decided to drop that requirement. Why does it have to be between a human and a human? What is free will? Does an animal have free will? Which ones? What if an artificial entity display features of free will closer to humans than animals? Who decides this? Do we need to define "free will" before allowing such marriages? Will some governance areas allow such marriages before others?

aynyc 4y ago
In order to get married, you first need both parties competent enough to say yes. We don't let underage kids to say yes to marriage anymore (I know some cultures and countries have different views but they probably have more restrictive marriage laws). Since we (as a society) can't even agree on what free will is, I see no way a law or form of governance can determine that.
- deleted 4y ago
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- verdverm 4y ago
  You can get married in New Hampshire at 13 with parental consent, most states are 16 https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/marriage-age-by-state https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/marriage-ag... Seems that NH has changed since the above link was published https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_age_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marriage_age_in_the_United_Sta... has more details per state, seems some states have a way for any age
  - aynyc 4y ago
    That's not true since 2018/2019.
- verdverm 4y ago
  One government has already granted a robot citizenship: https://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/10187/meet-saudi-arabia-s-newest-citizen-sophia-the-robot https://electronics360.globalspec.com/article/10187/meet-sau... It does not matter what you think about the topic, it's what gets approved by laws. To think that it won't happen for reason X or Y is to discount history and likely outcomes. Why shouldn't a person be able to marry a robot if they so desire? Why shouldn't a robot be able to earn their own income?

vidarh 4y ago

Define free will in a way that can be objectively assessed and isn't circular, yet where humans will unambiguously end up with free will and AGI won't. Free will as anything but an illusion of agency is an absurd concept.

verdverm 4y ago
How much free will or "agency" do humans actually exhibit vs how much is habit or primitive brain-biology impulse and behaviors? Why leave out animals in this analysis? They certainly have an amount of free will, preferences, emotions, and problem solving skills... varied by species, breed, and individual
- vidarh 4y ago
  My argument is that there is no viable definition of free will as anything but an illusion. In other words, I'm saying every indication we have is that we're almost certainly automatons. As such, "free will" is not a reasonable way of distinguishing which entities are capable of giving sufficiently informed consent (not least because most of us would assign the illusion of free will to children as well, yet disagree that they're competent enough to get married).