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Buying an EV and maintaining your existing driving habits is like drinking only one bottle of Jack a day while dying of liver failure.

MonkeyMalarky 4y ago
Hello r/fuckcars folks, berating people for making reasonable choices within their environment isn't a winning strategy. EVs are a legitimate incremental improvement. Sorry we don't all live a bikable wonderland with good public transit.
- yourusername 4y ago
  I live in bikable wonderland. Good public transit is still pretty bad. Owning a car easily cuts your travel time in half even in a country with excellent transit and very car hostile policies.
- grevrevr 4y ago
  They're an increnmental improvement, but to a dead end. Saying that, they do have a somewhat hidden advantage - as it takes more effort and planning to drive any particular distance, EVs will reduce the amount of miles people drive.
foxyv 4y ago
Yes, exactly! Until we have the infrastructure to end car dependence we need to reduce the harm of carbon fueled personal vehicles. Electric cars aren't the solution, but they are a pretty good bandaid.
cultofmetatron 4y ago
I agree but its just not practical in a lot of places due to idiotic urban planning. Euclidean zoning and urban sprawl have become the cancer of america. In many places, there are no places close by to just hangout. just my parent's place one has to drive (no sidewalks) 3 miles to get milk at he gas station and thats pretty good by american standards. Until we fix that, (more mixed use zoning, higher density, consistent predictable and readily availale public transport options) cars are the only option for a lot of people
- kj4ips 4y ago
  I agree heartily. In order to gain access to "good", reliable internet, I had to move to the former "new-money" part of town, which is now pseudo-affordable. There is extremely limited non-vehicular options. The road out of the subdivision has zero shoulder, a one-way bike lane, and no sidewalks. Local residents don't respect the pedestrian easement, and ignore the posted speed limit across low visibility hills. The times I've walked that route, I've either been threaded with violence for "trespassing" or almost struck by vehicles. Never once has the bike lane or easement been unobstructed the whole way. Other parts of the subdivision connect to a "greenway", but it is very broken up with missing sidewalks, and only has limited crosswalks. It really is only useful for getting to a nearby park (which is nice), but not for any essentials. Some of the local residents (including myself) have been asking the city for some funding (or even to take advantage of grants) to improve the walk ability, but there is a smaller contingent of more influential folks that either threaten lawsuits should the city install sidewalks/walkpaths, or just take up tons of time so that everyone is tired and wants to go home by the time we get to speak. While we've gained some visibility and good rapport, we've not really managed to change anything, and it's starting to feel futile.
  - cultofmetatron 4y ago
    god.. the idea that there are people so vehemently oppossed to "walkability." like what exactly are they fighting for?

MonkeyMalarky 4y ago

Hello r/fuckcars folks, berating people for making reasonable choices within their environment isn't a winning strategy. EVs are a legitimate incremental improvement. Sorry we don't all live a bikable wonderland with good public transit.

yourusername 4y ago
I live in bikable wonderland. Good public transit is still pretty bad. Owning a car easily cuts your travel time in half even in a country with excellent transit and very car hostile policies.
grevrevr 4y ago
They're an increnmental improvement, but to a dead end. Saying that, they do have a somewhat hidden advantage - as it takes more effort and planning to drive any particular distance, EVs will reduce the amount of miles people drive.

foxyv 4y ago

Yes, exactly! Until we have the infrastructure to end car dependence we need to reduce the harm of carbon fueled personal vehicles. Electric cars aren't the solution, but they are a pretty good bandaid.

cultofmetatron 4y ago

I agree but its just not practical in a lot of places due to idiotic urban planning. Euclidean zoning and urban sprawl have become the cancer of america. In many places, there are no places close by to just hangout. just my parent's place one has to drive (no sidewalks) 3 miles to get milk at he gas station and thats pretty good by american standards. Until we fix that, (more mixed use zoning, higher density, consistent predictable and readily availale public transport options) cars are the only option for a lot of people

kj4ips 4y ago
I agree heartily. In order to gain access to "good", reliable internet, I had to move to the former "new-money" part of town, which is now pseudo-affordable. There is extremely limited non-vehicular options. The road out of the subdivision has zero shoulder, a one-way bike lane, and no sidewalks. Local residents don't respect the pedestrian easement, and ignore the posted speed limit across low visibility hills. The times I've walked that route, I've either been threaded with violence for "trespassing" or almost struck by vehicles. Never once has the bike lane or easement been unobstructed the whole way. Other parts of the subdivision connect to a "greenway", but it is very broken up with missing sidewalks, and only has limited crosswalks. It really is only useful for getting to a nearby park (which is nice), but not for any essentials. Some of the local residents (including myself) have been asking the city for some funding (or even to take advantage of grants) to improve the walk ability, but there is a smaller contingent of more influential folks that either threaten lawsuits should the city install sidewalks/walkpaths, or just take up tons of time so that everyone is tired and wants to go home by the time we get to speak. While we've gained some visibility and good rapport, we've not really managed to change anything, and it's starting to feel futile.
- cultofmetatron 4y ago
  god.. the idea that there are people so vehemently oppossed to "walkability." like what exactly are they fighting for?