> Exactly, and that is why I'll always bring up the only example of a benefit system that doesn't suffer all those beaurocratic nightmares. Polish child support

> Exactly, and that is why I'll always bring up the only example of a benefit system that doesn't suffer all those beaurocratic nightmares. Polish child support (so called 500+) is a benefit for everyone that has a child(or children). It is 500pln (a it over 100eur) per child per month. It has been genius to give it to everyone. Minimal beaurocraticy was required as the state already has a record of children and parents. Fraud is minimal and it eradicated child poverty in few months. This is also true for the 'kinderbijslag' in the Netherlands, the parents post about this is simply untrue. The vast majority of parents get it automatically in their bank account without any administration beyond establishing that you're a parent with valid resident permit and children and your bank account. There is of course extra work if you don't reside in the country or your child was born elsewhere / recently immigrated, but I can't imagine that that's much different in Poland.