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Nobody is forcing people to buy this garbage and there's plenty of alternatives. My car and no car I will ever buy will have a subscription model. No printer wi

by pookah 4y ago

Nobody is forcing people to buy this garbage and there's plenty of alternatives. My car and no car I will ever buy will have a subscription model. No printer will either.

danuker 4y ago
One alternative: an Arduino-controlled DIY plotter. Coincidentally, you could harvest a typical printer for many parts it needs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=virDtVVt2Xo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=virDtVVt2Xo
- moffkalast 4y ago
  Boss: I need you to print out 50 pages of text. Me, with a plotter instead of a printer: UHHHHHHHH
  - danuker 4y ago
    Eh. It will be slow but it can work unattended.
moffkalast 4y ago
The problem is you'll eventually find yourself without a car or printer to buy, with this becoming the most effective cash cow for all manufacturers.
college_physics 4y ago
> Nobody is forcing people to buy this garbage I never wanted a mobile with non-replaceable battery but suddenly the "market" decided that this the only option on offer I never wanted a social network or search engine that spies on me and creates my behavioral profile for sale, but suddenly the "market" decided that this the only viable business model for those services I never wanted a digital only payments system but soon the basic anonymity of using cash will be "suspicious" activity > My car and no car I will ever buy will have a subscription model You don't want a "subscription car" but I can assure you pretty soon both you and your car data will be traded amongst insurance companies, "brands" and who knows who else Joe Consumer doesn't have the time, education or energy to do anything about all this. This is down to regulatory capture of the institutions that should protect us from out-of-control corporate or state interests. This is the stark reality especially in the US. There are slowly diverging attitudes e.g., in Europe, where 500 million people and 27 countries don't agree on much but managed to agree on a few consumer / data protections. Lets hope we can reverse this dystopia before it becomes inescapable.
- sidewndr46 4y ago
  Cash has been considered de-facto evidence of illegal activity in the US for years. Banks are required to report cash transactions over $10,000. Not only are the police allowed to confiscate cash as de-facto evidence of criminal activity, they get to keep some of it too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Crime_Control_Act_of_1984 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Crime_Control_Ac...
  - college_physics 4y ago
    In a cashless society the bracket $0-$10000 becomes de-facto illegal as well. Nobody can accept non-digital payment, no matter how small, even if they want to. Even in a perfect society that is not run by private rackets, captured governments, prone to drifting into authoritarianism etc, making the entire economic system contingent on particular electric/digital infrastructures seems absurdly cavalier and asking for deep trouble in the future.
    - sidewndr46 4y ago
      I don't think you get the point. An officer can find a wad of 47 $1 bills in your wallet. They can claim that no one would carry around such a high number of one dollar bills unless they were making low level drug deals selling product on the street to end users of drugs. After all, wouldn't you just put a couple $20's in your wallet? So it is not "become" but is in fact already illegal.
      - college_physics 4y ago
        Yeah, ok, cant really verify those claims, but its a different issue really. If the police system is abusive then cash is just one of the countless other excuses it can find, as in: "Hey that Rolex of yours, it doesn't really fit your stand in society"

by pookah 4y ago

Nobody is forcing people to buy this garbage and there's plenty of alternatives. My car and no car I will ever buy will have a subscription model. No printer will either.

danuker 4y ago

One alternative: an Arduino-controlled DIY plotter. Coincidentally, you could harvest a typical printer for many parts it needs. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=virDtVVt2Xo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=virDtVVt2Xo

moffkalast 4y ago
Boss: I need you to print out 50 pages of text. Me, with a plotter instead of a printer: UHHHHHHHH
- danuker 4y ago
  Eh. It will be slow but it can work unattended.

moffkalast 4y ago

The problem is you'll eventually find yourself without a car or printer to buy, with this becoming the most effective cash cow for all manufacturers.

college_physics 4y ago

> Nobody is forcing people to buy this garbage I never wanted a mobile with non-replaceable battery but suddenly the "market" decided that this the only option on offer I never wanted a social network or search engine that spies on me and creates my behavioral profile for sale, but suddenly the "market" decided that this the only viable business model for those services I never wanted a digital only payments system but soon the basic anonymity of using cash will be "suspicious" activity > My car and no car I will ever buy will have a subscription model You don't want a "subscription car" but I can assure you pretty soon both you and your car data will be traded amongst insurance companies, "brands" and who knows who else Joe Consumer doesn't have the time, education or energy to do anything about all this. This is down to regulatory capture of the institutions that should protect us from out-of-control corporate or state interests. This is the stark reality especially in the US. There are slowly diverging attitudes e.g., in Europe, where 500 million people and 27 countries don't agree on much but managed to agree on a few consumer / data protections. Lets hope we can reverse this dystopia before it becomes inescapable.

sidewndr46 4y ago
Cash has been considered de-facto evidence of illegal activity in the US for years. Banks are required to report cash transactions over $10,000. Not only are the police allowed to confiscate cash as de-facto evidence of criminal activity, they get to keep some of it too. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Crime_Control_Act_of_1984 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comprehensive_Crime_Control_Ac...
- college_physics 4y ago
  In a cashless society the bracket $0-$10000 becomes de-facto illegal as well. Nobody can accept non-digital payment, no matter how small, even if they want to. Even in a perfect society that is not run by private rackets, captured governments, prone to drifting into authoritarianism etc, making the entire economic system contingent on particular electric/digital infrastructures seems absurdly cavalier and asking for deep trouble in the future.
  - sidewndr46 4y ago
    I don't think you get the point. An officer can find a wad of 47 $1 bills in your wallet. They can claim that no one would carry around such a high number of one dollar bills unless they were making low level drug deals selling product on the street to end users of drugs. After all, wouldn't you just put a couple $20's in your wallet? So it is not "become" but is in fact already illegal.
    - college_physics 4y ago
      Yeah, ok, cant really verify those claims, but its a different issue really. If the police system is abusive then cash is just one of the countless other excuses it can find, as in: "Hey that Rolex of yours, it doesn't really fit your stand in society"