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For example: Inter-application communication to allow time-tracking apps, automation, accessibility, and a thousand other use cases. (I can't live without barri

For example: Inter-application communication to allow time-tracking apps, automation, accessibility, and a thousand other use cases. (I can't live without barrier and x over ssh) Wayland is designed to block this feature. Which means it will always remain a niche, only useful for those running multiple monitors with different refresh rates. And even those people are limited to AMD GPUs. So that's a very small niche of a very small niche.

nubinetwork 4y ago
X over ssh can still work on wayland, there is an app called waypipe that does the same thing.
- irthomasthomas 4y ago
  And KDE just built a screen recorder for Wayland. But why bother rewriting all of these tools, when perfectly good, battle-tested solutions already exist in X? Many software makers are unwilling to rewrite their apps from the ground up just to work on a niche system.
  - nubinetwork 4y ago
    I think the idea is that they want to get rid of X eventually, if or when that happens is anyone's guess.
    - irthomasthomas 4y ago
      Yes, they have made that quite clear. I think it is a real shame that so much time has to be given fixing bugs and recreating software that already exists, rather than developing interesting new software on a stable platform.
      - kaba0 4y ago
        So bad we abandoned all those great SVN tools and created new tools for git…
kaba0 4y ago
It is not designed to block this feature, it just has absolutely nothing to do with a goddamn display protocol. The linux userspace is definitely lacking in many other areas but that is simply due to no unified solution (inherent in bazaar style development), and an insane reliance on C for everything.
wizhi 4y ago
I think the needs you listed there would be considered the niche. Most people just want something to display their windows. Those things are cool, sure, but they probably come at some cost.

nubinetwork 4y ago

X over ssh can still work on wayland, there is an app called waypipe that does the same thing.

irthomasthomas 4y ago
And KDE just built a screen recorder for Wayland. But why bother rewriting all of these tools, when perfectly good, battle-tested solutions already exist in X? Many software makers are unwilling to rewrite their apps from the ground up just to work on a niche system.
- nubinetwork 4y ago
  I think the idea is that they want to get rid of X eventually, if or when that happens is anyone's guess.
  - irthomasthomas 4y ago
    Yes, they have made that quite clear. I think it is a real shame that so much time has to be given fixing bugs and recreating software that already exists, rather than developing interesting new software on a stable platform.
    - kaba0 4y ago
      So bad we abandoned all those great SVN tools and created new tools for git…

kaba0 4y ago

It is not designed to block this feature, it just has absolutely nothing to do with a goddamn display protocol. The linux userspace is definitely lacking in many other areas but that is simply due to no unified solution (inherent in bazaar style development), and an insane reliance on C for everything.

wizhi 4y ago

I think the needs you listed there would be considered the niche. Most people just want something to display their windows. Those things are cool, sure, but they probably come at some cost.