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Wayland is far from mature, even with xorg-xwayland. I personally use it with (fairly uptodate) KDE/Plasma on a Intel Iris Xe Graphics, and still get some annoy

Wayland is far from mature, even with xorg-xwayland. I personally use it with (fairly uptodate) KDE/Plasma on a Intel Iris Xe Graphics, and still get some annoyances.

dTal 4y ago
I think the comment you're replying to was emphasizing "as root". I can't remember the last time I saw that.
dijit 4y ago
1) I’ve been daily driving Wayland for six years and the only pain I have is that IntelliJ is blurry at 4K 2) Nothing in the parent comment even mentioned Wayland, unless it has been edited- they're saying that people don’t run X.org as root these days (which I am not certain of, since I haven't been running it for so long)
alex_duf 4y ago
I've been using wayland only forever, I'm not sure what you're missing?
- irthomasthomas 4y ago
  For example: Inter-application communication to allow time-tracking apps, automation, accessibility, and a thousand other use cases. (I can't live without barrier and x over ssh) Wayland is designed to block this feature. Which means it will always remain a niche, only useful for those running multiple monitors with different refresh rates. And even those people are limited to AMD GPUs. So that's a very small niche of a very small niche.
  - nubinetwork 4y ago
    X over ssh can still work on wayland, there is an app called waypipe that does the same thing.
    - irthomasthomas 4y ago
      And KDE just built a screen recorder for Wayland. But why bother rewriting all of these tools, when perfectly good, battle-tested solutions already exist in X? Many software makers are unwilling to rewrite their apps from the ground up just to work on a niche system.
      - nubinetwork 4y ago
        I think the idea is that they want to get rid of X eventually, if or when that happens is anyone's guess.
        irthomasthomas 4y ago
        Yes, they have made that quite clear. I think it is a real shame that so much time has to be given fixing bugs and recreating software that already exists, rather than developing interesting new software on a stable platform.
        kaba0 4y ago
        So bad we abandoned all those great SVN tools and created new tools for git…
  - kaba0 4y ago
    It is not designed to block this feature, it just has absolutely nothing to do with a goddamn display protocol. The linux userspace is definitely lacking in many other areas but that is simply due to no unified solution (inherent in bazaar style development), and an insane reliance on C for everything.
  - wizhi 4y ago
    I think the needs you listed there would be considered the niche. Most people just want something to display their windows. Those things are cool, sure, but they probably come at some cost.
happymellon 4y ago
Wayland works great, it's just KDEs implementation that leave something to be desired. If you try other desktops that use Wayland such as Gnome or Sway you will find far fewer issues.

Wayland is far from mature, even with xorg-xwayland. I personally use it with (fairly uptodate) KDE/Plasma on a Intel Iris Xe Graphics, and still get some annoyances.

dTal 4y ago

I think the comment you're replying to was emphasizing "as root". I can't remember the last time I saw that.

dijit 4y ago

1) I’ve been daily driving Wayland for six years and the only pain I have is that IntelliJ is blurry at 4K 2) Nothing in the parent comment even mentioned Wayland, unless it has been edited- they're saying that people don’t run X.org as root these days (which I am not certain of, since I haven't been running it for so long)

alex_duf 4y ago

I've been using wayland only forever, I'm not sure what you're missing?

irthomasthomas 4y ago
For example: Inter-application communication to allow time-tracking apps, automation, accessibility, and a thousand other use cases. (I can't live without barrier and x over ssh) Wayland is designed to block this feature. Which means it will always remain a niche, only useful for those running multiple monitors with different refresh rates. And even those people are limited to AMD GPUs. So that's a very small niche of a very small niche.
- nubinetwork 4y ago
  X over ssh can still work on wayland, there is an app called waypipe that does the same thing.
  - irthomasthomas 4y ago
    And KDE just built a screen recorder for Wayland. But why bother rewriting all of these tools, when perfectly good, battle-tested solutions already exist in X? Many software makers are unwilling to rewrite their apps from the ground up just to work on a niche system.
    - nubinetwork 4y ago
      I think the idea is that they want to get rid of X eventually, if or when that happens is anyone's guess.
      - irthomasthomas 4y ago
        Yes, they have made that quite clear. I think it is a real shame that so much time has to be given fixing bugs and recreating software that already exists, rather than developing interesting new software on a stable platform.
        kaba0 4y ago
        So bad we abandoned all those great SVN tools and created new tools for git…
- kaba0 4y ago
  It is not designed to block this feature, it just has absolutely nothing to do with a goddamn display protocol. The linux userspace is definitely lacking in many other areas but that is simply due to no unified solution (inherent in bazaar style development), and an insane reliance on C for everything.
- wizhi 4y ago
  I think the needs you listed there would be considered the niche. Most people just want something to display their windows. Those things are cool, sure, but they probably come at some cost.

happymellon 4y ago

Wayland works great, it's just KDEs implementation that leave something to be desired. If you try other desktops that use Wayland such as Gnome or Sway you will find far fewer issues.