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I'm confused. Was the AI wrong? Are we mad that immigrants commit a particular type of fraud at higher rates? Because then we're just mad that an algorithm disc
by c3534l 4y ago
I'm confused. Was the AI wrong? Are we mad that immigrants commit a particular type of fraud at higher rates? Because then we're just mad that an algorithm discovered a truth our social norms don't normally allow us to openly acknowledge.
If we're mad that the workers didn't perform a proper investigation or give people due process, then I hardly see why we need to make the predictive model the target of our blame, rather than the human beings with intent and responsibility chose not to treat people with the rights and priveleges that should be afforded to them.
But I can't understand why everyone has decided the "correct" answer to this problem is to ignore reality and then try to delude machines into acting like how we want the world to work is how it actually works.
- LeetHacks 4y agoYes, the AI was wrong and output was blindly accepted. There's no evidence migration background was a good predictor of fraud. The government was warned multiple times what they were doing was both illigal and ineffective. And even if it was a predictor, 26000 people were wrongly labeled as fraudsters, causing personal bankruptcy (which is very bad in the Netherlands), evictions, divorces, children wrongfully being taken away from the families (1100!) and suicides. All while systematically denying the issue, government officials that knowingly lied during public hearings and a complete inability to compensate those that were affected. Don't drag "wokeness" into this discussion, it has nothing to do with it.
- concordDance 4y ago> There's no evidence migration background was a good predictor of fraud This would be a surprising statement to be true (theres technically evidence for Jesus being the son of god, its just the priors/hypothesis complexity are low/high. And the fact theres more evidence against the hypothesis). If you asked the makers of the law/algorithm what do you think they'd say?
- ExoticPearTree 4y agoWow. So the Dutch government considered people guilty by default for the simple reason of not being Dutch. What happened to the innocent until proven guilty way of handling matters?
- tomrod 4y agoFalse attribution/misclassification hurt folks. There has to be a human in the loop at some point, whether to adjudicate or to remediate.