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moose_man 4y ago
That movie went way out of its way to obscure what country they going against. It definitely did not say the antagonists were Chinese.
- pessimizer 4y ago
  That movie, like most American military action movies, was done in partnership with the US government, which was given approval on the script. I would ask why Chinese propaganda is painted as oppressive and heavy-handed when we're doing the exact same thing through government programs that are old enough to collect Social Security.
  - moose_man 4y ago
    I didn't call out those movies because the state was involved, it's because they glorified killing and fighting Americans.
  - bee_rider 4y ago
    Those programs are also bad.
    - RajT88 4y ago
      There is also a difference between approving a script portraying the military, and literally commissioning a movie. And I think everyone can agree that such a difference exists, even though both are bad.
Rebelgecko 4y ago
What country do you think was vilified by that movie?
- pessimizer 4y ago
  No country was vilified by Lake Changjin, either. A country that invaded Korea and killed a lot of people to keep them from becoming Communists was depicted.
  - ericd 4y ago
    Right... "The film ends with the caption: "The great spirit of the War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid (North) Korea will eternally be renewed! Eternal glory to the great martyrs of the People's Volunteer Army!" "
    - pessimizer 4y ago
      Are you pointing out that China calls the US invasion of Korea "The War to Resist US Aggression," or are you trying to say that our propaganda is more subtle? We literally dedicated Rambo II to the heroes of the Afghanistan mujahideen.
      - ericd 4y ago
        Haha I'm not defending US propaganda at all, but it’s just silly to say that the CCP is not trying to vilify the US and rouse nationalist sentiment against the US with this and related films.
  - reducesuffering 4y ago
    You do realize that North Korea first invaded South Korea?[0] And because the US was able to defend South Korea from a communist takeover, but failed to prevent Vietnam, South Korea's GDP per capita is $35k while Vietnam is $3.7k, an almost order of magnitude difference. North Korea's fate was even worse... [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#Course_of_the_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#Course_of_the_war
  - Rebelgecko 4y ago
    I don't think we have enough common ground to have a productive discussion here. Even notwithstanding the historical inaccuracies and fabrications in the movie, the musical cues and wanna-be "Triumph of the Will" cinematography when American characters are introduced all scream "villain" to me. Those who haven't seen the movie can watch this clip and decide for themselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmBjkb-r8Fw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmBjkb-r8Fw

That movie went way out of its way to obscure what country they going against. It definitely did not say the antagonists were Chinese.

pessimizer 4y ago
That movie, like most American military action movies, was done in partnership with the US government, which was given approval on the script. I would ask why Chinese propaganda is painted as oppressive and heavy-handed when we're doing the exact same thing through government programs that are old enough to collect Social Security.
- moose_man 4y ago
  I didn't call out those movies because the state was involved, it's because they glorified killing and fighting Americans.
- bee_rider 4y ago
  Those programs are also bad.
  - RajT88 4y ago
    There is also a difference between approving a script portraying the military, and literally commissioning a movie. And I think everyone can agree that such a difference exists, even though both are bad.

Rebelgecko 4y ago

What country do you think was vilified by that movie?

pessimizer 4y ago
No country was vilified by Lake Changjin, either. A country that invaded Korea and killed a lot of people to keep them from becoming Communists was depicted.
- ericd 4y ago
  Right... "The film ends with the caption: "The great spirit of the War to Resist U.S. Aggression and Aid (North) Korea will eternally be renewed! Eternal glory to the great martyrs of the People's Volunteer Army!" "
  - pessimizer 4y ago
    Are you pointing out that China calls the US invasion of Korea "The War to Resist US Aggression," or are you trying to say that our propaganda is more subtle? We literally dedicated Rambo II to the heroes of the Afghanistan mujahideen.
    - ericd 4y ago
      Haha I'm not defending US propaganda at all, but it’s just silly to say that the CCP is not trying to vilify the US and rouse nationalist sentiment against the US with this and related films.
- reducesuffering 4y ago
  You do realize that North Korea first invaded South Korea?[0] And because the US was able to defend South Korea from a communist takeover, but failed to prevent Vietnam, South Korea's GDP per capita is $35k while Vietnam is $3.7k, an almost order of magnitude difference. North Korea's fate was even worse... [0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#Course_of_the_war https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#Course_of_the_war
- Rebelgecko 4y ago
  I don't think we have enough common ground to have a productive discussion here. Even notwithstanding the historical inaccuracies and fabrications in the movie, the musical cues and wanna-be "Triumph of the Will" cinematography when American characters are introduced all scream "villain" to me. Those who haven't seen the movie can watch this clip and decide for themselves: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmBjkb-r8Fw https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fmBjkb-r8Fw